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bayouhazard wrote:

Superman wrote: The reason is because it would make it VERY difficult for me as the business owner to identify whether someone was stealing or not. How do I know you didn't just bring in that bag of skittles and not just take it off my shelf and open it up? It's not that I would be anti-candy, but I would have a much harder time running and protecting my business. Same reasoning for the 30.06 at gun shows.

That makes a lot of sense. Except that most firearms have serial numbers but Skittles and iced tea don't. So the dealers bound book would prove what is his inventory, versus what's another dealers inventory or personal property of an attendee.

It is not practical for vendors to be checking serial numbers on anyone they suspect of theft. It's much easier to simply have the processes in place so the vendors don't have to worry about that. Serial numbers are not really an issue.

Here's what would probably happen in the case of the theft. The thief would get caught trying to leave because their gun does not have the proper security measures (the stickers) and they can't produce a receipt. So the security calls over the police, the thief gets arrested and the security/police hold the stolen gun until the close of the business day. Once the show is closed for the day, the organizers announce for the vendors to check their records for the gun with the serial number so they can return it to the vendor (don't even really need serial numbers to do that). Crook goes to jail and the gun is returned and back on the market the next day.

Seriously, put yourself in the vendors shoes and imagine having to "prove what is his inventory, versus what's another dealers inventory or personal property of an attendee." How exactly would you do that, even with serial numbers? (rhetorical question...you wouldn't).

Heisenberg wrote:A much bigger problem with that reasoning is most shows do allow people to bring their own guns to sell or trade.

The simple truth is the 30.06 sign only applies to people with a CHL carrying a handgun. It has no bearing on the majority who haven't passed the class and background check. It's likewise meaningless to people carrying long guns.

Therefore, posting a 30.06 sign does nothing but show how the management feels about training and background checks.

Have you ever brought your personal gun into a gun show? Have you not been to a gun show and seen the police inspecting and zip tie them open? They zip tie it open with a specific colored zip tie. That color is so they know which guns are personal and not from a vendor (which are zip tied with another color). Another thing they do is vendors put a certain colored sticker on the box of guns that were purchased so that security knows that you did not get behind a counter and simply pick up a gun and try to walk out. That process protects the vendors from theft, while also allowing personal transactions to take place inside the show. I don't see where the "bigger problem" is...

I can understand why gun shows post 30.06 (not saying I like it though). If I own a candy store, I would probably have a policy in place that no outside candy is allowed in the store. The reason is because it would make it VERY difficult for me as the business owner to identify whether someone was stealing or not. How do I know you didn't just bring in that bag of skittles and not just take it off my shelf and open it up? It's not that I would be anti-candy, but I would have a much harder time running and protecting my business. Same reasoning for the 30.06 at gun shows. Business owners want help preventing theft. That's why no personal ammo is allowed inside as well.

And for those who will say "But we are CHL and our statistics show that the probability of us committing a crime is X% below the rest of the genreral population, etc., etc...and here is my card listing all those stats to educate you." ...My response is that not everyone attending a gun show has their CHL and business owners cannot easily distinguish who has their CHL and who does not (hence why they tether all the guns up). Should we all be forced to wear our CHL badges at the show, then maybe that problem will be fixed

My ideal solution would be to have something like a "coat checkin" (gun checkin rather) that I could check my magazine (or entire gun) into so that I can disarm at the gate and arm up when I leave. What's the cost of that kind of system?...I don't know, probably prohibitive. I just don't like being disarmed for the walk between my car and the show, but I understand their reasoning and respect their business decision.

As for the OP, I totally agree with you. I think what they are doing is completely wrong and hopefully against the law. They are trying to backdoor the "gunshow loophole" fix and we all should be against this.