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by Will938
Tue May 29, 2007 4:01 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Car Burgulary Last Night
Replies: 73
Views: 9315

NcongruNt wrote:
I was talking about going out with the gun already drawn before he made an advance towards you, just to clarify.
lol guys I'm sorry to keep opening a new can of worms, but...

If you were on your own property as I understand it you can carry however you please. Now then you'd be just great carrying it in your hand correct? Because in all reality I wouldn't be likely to have a holster on myself at home. Then again if I was at home I'd likely be using a shotgun, what do you guys think?
by Will938
Mon May 28, 2007 5:41 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Car Burgulary Last Night
Replies: 73
Views: 9315

txinvestigator wrote:
Remember, to protect yourself, deadly force is ONLY justified if youreasonably believe it is immediately necessary to prevent the others use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force against you.

A person walking toward you, unarmed, does not meet that requirement.


I made a decision a long time ago that I am not willing to take another persons life over property. I believe that morally and ethically I should not. However, that is MY belief based on prayer with MY maker, and no one else is bound by that. The law is clear, and everyone has to decide what, within the law, they are willing to take a life over.
I think most people here would agree that killing to protect your property isn't acceptable unless its something thats going to keep you alive, like insulin during a disaster.

But you're saying that someone who has already broken into your property, doesn't hit the deck or stop when told to, but also doesn't say anything threatening; can't be stopped by deadly force?

I like to think I'm a reasonable person, and my first thought is that the size of a person means nothing just like you can't assume what someone with a gun's intentions are. If I allow the situation to escalate to the point where I'm going to be going hand to hand with this person, they might be smaller but better trained or more lean/stronger. And by allowing that to happen with a firearm present (even if I was the person to present it in this situation it would of been justified) I'd be in grave danger of being shot. So case law would say that I'm not being reasonable, and I should of fought them/turn my back and ran?
by Will938
Mon May 28, 2007 3:46 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Car Burgulary Last Night
Replies: 73
Views: 9315

txinvestigator wrote: Could you have done something less than deadly force that would have stopped or prevented the crime?
In your opinion, what is reasonable?

You don't have to allow them to leave, but someone like me also doesn't have any formal training to subdue someone. I'd assume that if we were to wrestle, I'd lose my gun and be killed. So then the person isn't getting closer than 20+ feet from me and I wouldn't plan on holstering anything. So then if the person, unarmed, tried to walk towards you without making any verbal threats...what would you do?

Also, which statute were you referring to a while back when you were showing justification to draw down without having justification to use deadly force (obviously for threats, but threats which are not yet to that point but appear to be headed that way).
by Will938
Sun May 27, 2007 5:51 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Car Burgulary Last Night
Replies: 73
Views: 9315

I don't think police or lawyers will change our opinion on this matter, even in the right, the best idea is to preserve life.
by Will938
Sat May 26, 2007 6:38 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Car Burgulary Last Night
Replies: 73
Views: 9315

NguyenVanDon wrote:
The LEO here just warn the entire neighborhood about this. I think if someone tries to do this again, no matter if its a 16 yrs old kid, do what you think its right on your property. Especially when it's a night and someone is burglarizing your property. This is not coming from the word of my mouth, but the words from the Arlington Police Officers.
I think the point is that a 16 year old kid...assuming they aren't wielding a weapon against you, is pretty much defenseless. At that point you face a question, is ending the kid's life going to do anything productive? Will it gain you anything? What do you stand to lose by doing this?

You're going to feel horrible about killing someone when you could of spared them.

Their parents are going to be devastated and will likely sue you.

You'll cause more damage to your car then they would have.

You stand a chance of going to court anyway.

Your bullets could miss and strike an innocent person.

If the person is still alive then you can maybe receive compensation from them.



Just because you are allowed to doesn't mean you should.




In your situation had I heard them breaking in, my blood would be boiling too. I would of called the cops and told them that someone had broken into my car and was still inside. At that point I would either stay inside, or confront them. If I did go outside it would be with a shotgun, there would be a lot of yelling, and they would be given a chance to hit the deck. If they managed to escape then they get away, if they hit the deck then they'll be there until police arrive, if they came at me then I'd have no issues doing what had to be done.

But just shooting someone because I was mad about them breaking into my car is pretty unacceptable IMO.
by Will938
Sat May 26, 2007 6:21 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Car Burgulary Last Night
Replies: 73
Views: 9315

TheYoungGuy wrote:
NguyenVanDon wrote:I'm pretty young myself. I'm only 22 yrs old. If I saw someone at night broken into my car and trying to steal my stuff, I would have unloaded my entire mag through my windshield. Like stated above, Criminal Mischief during nighttime.
Wow... Wow, wow, wow. Let us partake in a little elementary school math refresher, shall we? Remember the "alligator" mouth which opened toward the number or unit of greater value?

[MY LIFE] > [THE LIFE OF ANOTHER]

[MY IPOD] < [THE LIFE OF ANOTHER]

Your CHL is not a calling from God to clean up the streets. Why is everyone SO intent on taking another life?!? Have I ever taken a life? No, but four members of my immediate family and too many of my friends have during their time in the military. Ask them, or anyone with such an experience who lingers on this forum, which they would rather take: a human life, or a trip to the Apple store for a stinkin' iPod. Get over yourself pal; You're not one of the Boondock Saints. It's people like you who give the rest of us a bad name.
His CHL has nothing to do with this.

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