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by Will938
Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:59 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shootout in South Carolina with video
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Views: 7254

Photoman wrote:
Will938 wrote:Still, she's acting like the cop is the criminal. I like how she says the perp was returning fire to defend himself...glossing over the fact that he retreived a pistol and was moving to get the drop on the officer.

She said nothing of the sort. The cop shot first. The "perp" returned fire. That's what happened and that's what she said.

Yes the kid retreived a pistol and was moving to get the drop on the officer...who was patiently waiting in his car, gun in hand. The cop had plenty of time to leave.
Go back and read it again, she insinuated that he was waiting there for a confrontation so he could kill the scumbag. She can't possibly know what he was thinking. He might of been waiting because he knew a confrontation was coming, but the guy sealed his own fate. Had he just left and not tried to pull a gun he wouldn't of had any holes poked in him. You tell me where you want to be when you're pretty sure you're about to be shot at; sitting still, gun in hand, waiting for the guy to show his intentions, or unprepared probably backing up through a cramped gas station?
by Will938
Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:29 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shootout in South Carolina with video
Replies: 50
Views: 7254

Still, she's acting like the cop is the criminal. I like how she says the perp was returning fire to defend himself...glossing over the fact that he retreived a pistol and was moving to get the drop on the officer.
by Will938
Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:43 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shootout in South Carolina with video
Replies: 50
Views: 7254

Shootout in South Carolina with video

Here's the video, what are your thoughts? What would you of done? I can say that I'd definately be alarmed by his body language and taken notice of him walking to his car and then to me. But I don't think I would of felt right about shooting until it was too late. The OD cop just started shooting, before I would of felt the guy was threatening my life, but looking at the video he might of been a dead man had he waited another second.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 ... otout.wcbd
Monday, Oct 15, 2007 - 05:19 AM Updated: 06:30 PM

The Charleston County Solicitor says Omar Brown, an off-duty police officer and mayor candidate, acted appropriately during a gas-station shoot-out. Charleston County Solicitor Scarlett Wilson released 911 calls and the surveillance video Monday. She says the video plays a crucial role in her decision.

Wilson would not say how many shots were fired or who fired first, but she says it doesn't matter because the video shows an officer taking action to protect himself.

The images captured on the El Cheapo surveillance camera look like a scene straight out of a movie. Yet, instead of an actor, you're seeing off-duty cop and mayoral candiate Omar Brown.

At least six people called 911 to report the shooting. One man told the dispatcher, "There's a bunch of shots just been fired here. There was a black guy running around and someone's shooting the hell out of him." Another caller described the gunshots as "pow, pow, pa pow" while a motorist driving by called 911 screaming, "Holy @#@#. I thought he was gonna shoot me. I was coming by in the truck."

Yet, it was not the calls, but the surveillance video that the solicitor reviewed repeatedly to make her decision. Wilson said, "I have found Officer Brown acted reasonably and lawfully." Wilson said South Carolina's Castle Doctrine justified Officer Brown's actions. She said, "A person is not required to wait till his assailant gets the drop on him." That's what Wilson says Antonio Rivers, who appears in a green striped shirt in the video, tried to do.

The video shows Officer Brown reach around Rivers as he was standing at the counter. Brown grabbed his two snack cakes and a Pepsi, then walked out the door. Yet, it's that encounter that officials say started the shooting. Wilson said, "It is so ridiculous. I think most of us had in our minds a shoulder to shoulder bump that can be kind of aggressive. You can barely see any sort of contact."

The video then shows River leaving the counter and rushing to his car. The solicitor reviewed the tape with News 2 and pointed out River's arms. She said, "Notice how his arms are out and it appears his hands are empty." Wilson said Rivers went to his car to get a gun, then walked to Brown's Mercedes with his right hand hidden behind his back. That's when the video shows Brown getting out of his car, firing his gun.
The 911 dispatcher asked one of the callers, "How many gunshots did you hear?" The caller answered, "At least seven." They're shots, according to Wilson, that saved Officer Brown's life.

Investigators found two types of ammuniton rounds at the scene. Officer Brown had a .45 Glock that the solicitor says he fired until the threat was eliminated. The solicitor says River's gun is in custody of SLED agents, undergoing testing at a laboratory.

Wilson says the Castle Doctrine not only protects officers, but all citizens. She said everyone has the right to protect themselves, whether it's in their home, their car or a business if they reasonably feel they are in danger.

Yet, River's attorney, Skip Martin, disagrees with the solicitor's decision. He sent News 2 a statement saying, "At no time on the video does Mr. Rivers point or present a firearm. Citizen Brown shot a man multiple times. He too should be prosecuted for his actions."

Officer Brown is on paid leave from the City of Charleston Police Department until the mayoral election. He is using the time to recover from a gunshot wound to the thigh, as well as work on his campaign.



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