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A-R wrote:

Wienerdogtroy wrote: No thats the allegation of the current defendant. Actual facts are highly in doubt.

There is no "current defendant" - one man is dead, the other man is not charged with any crime. Thus, no defendant. Labeling Zimmerman a "defandant" shows a bias unto itself.

Nope. If he's charged he will be the defendant. I'm not going to say Good Guy or Bad guy here, because we don't have the facts.

sjfcontrol wrote:

Wienerdogtroy wrote:We don't know how the fight started. If the shooter started the fight and the shootie was believing HIS life was in jeopardy then this analysis is not correct. The shooter goes to jail for a long long time.

Fraid not. Even if Zimmerman started the confrontation (and there is no evidence that he did), Martin's response must be reasonable. Unless Zimmerman was threatening Martin with illegal deadly force, he had no justification to use deadly force back. If I grab you by the shoulder (assault), you may be justified in punching me. You would not be justified in shooting me.

And, the current story (again) is that Zimmerman was returning to his car when Martin approached from the rear, and after a couple of words, started punching, then bashing zimmermans head on the sidewalk.

No thats the allegation of the current defendant. Actual facts are highly in doubt.
Again it goes back to reasonable belief. We don't know what happened. The shooter could have threatened the shootie. The shooter could have attacked the shootie and the shootie was defending himself. Again if you attack someone and start to lose that attack you don't have the legal right to then cap them. Thats settled law. The initial fact set of the thread is flawed as its designed to to generate the desired answer. However the real fact set is much more incomplete.

Same fact set except the shootie is a woman and the shooter is an intended rapist. She defends herself and he caps her. Thats not self defense thats murder in the furtherance of a felony. Its needle time.

We don't know how the fight started. If the shooter started the fight and the shootie was believing HIS life was in jeopardy then this analysis is not correct. The shooter goes to jail for a long long time.