TAM,
I looked for the article online for a link so I didn't have to type in the data in the previous post... didn't find it. If you are interested I'll scan it and ship it to you. After going to the 50 yard range at Elm Fork (thanks for the tip) and experiencing Failing Eyesight Induced Tourette's, the 25 yard zero outlined in the article mentioned became very much more attractive.
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- Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:37 pm
- Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
- Topic: 2 .308 Bolt Guns, 2 Different Visions....
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- Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:30 pm
- Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
- Topic: 2 .308 Bolt Guns, 2 Different Visions....
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Re: 2 .308 Bolt Guns, 2 Different Visions....
It has been my experience that a man's intellect can be reliably judged by the extent to which he agrees with me. TAM, that makes you brilliant!
The reasoning articulated above is _exactly_ why I have been interested in the RGS. I've never been a 'rifle guy'. My addiction has been bird hunting and handguns. The RGS has been my desired point of entry into rifles. (Since my RGS acquisition, I've expanded my centerfire rifle collection. I'll start a topic on that.) The Santos Zero article was of particular interest, especially given an article by Ed Head of Gunsite in the October Shooting Illustrated. In that article, in contravention to the Santos Zero, Mr. Head argues for a 25 yard zero for .223 and .308 rifles. I was paying attention to his article because 1) it was well argued 2) he was using a GSR and a SR556, both with 16.5 inch barrels AND both of which I own and 3) the practically identical point of impact for both rounds out to 300 yards in the loads he referenced. I don't see the article on-line. I guess I'll just have to get out to Elm Fork and test the 25 yard zero for 2" high at 100 years with both guns. He used Hornady 165gr Superformance and Hornady 75gr for his examples. From the article he lists the delta from line of sight for .308 @ the muzzle, 25 yards, 50 yards, 100 yards, 200 yards and 300 yards as:
-1.5, 0.0, +1.0, +2.1, 0.0, -9.0
For the .223,
-2.5, 0.0, +0.5, +2.0, 0.0, -9.8
Again, practical. Again, I'll have to test it, but having essentially the same hold for both rifles out to 300 yards is very appealing.
As far as optics, the scope that will be mounted is still in question for my rifle but the swfa scope on yours is very tempting. Thanks for the excellent information.
Finally, for either of the zero theories above, the obligatory peace sign medallion on zombie hippies will be an excellent point of aim when TEOTWAWKI is upon us.
The reasoning articulated above is _exactly_ why I have been interested in the RGS. I've never been a 'rifle guy'. My addiction has been bird hunting and handguns. The RGS has been my desired point of entry into rifles. (Since my RGS acquisition, I've expanded my centerfire rifle collection. I'll start a topic on that.) The Santos Zero article was of particular interest, especially given an article by Ed Head of Gunsite in the October Shooting Illustrated. In that article, in contravention to the Santos Zero, Mr. Head argues for a 25 yard zero for .223 and .308 rifles. I was paying attention to his article because 1) it was well argued 2) he was using a GSR and a SR556, both with 16.5 inch barrels AND both of which I own and 3) the practically identical point of impact for both rounds out to 300 yards in the loads he referenced. I don't see the article on-line. I guess I'll just have to get out to Elm Fork and test the 25 yard zero for 2" high at 100 years with both guns. He used Hornady 165gr Superformance and Hornady 75gr for his examples. From the article he lists the delta from line of sight for .308 @ the muzzle, 25 yards, 50 yards, 100 yards, 200 yards and 300 yards as:
-1.5, 0.0, +1.0, +2.1, 0.0, -9.0
For the .223,
-2.5, 0.0, +0.5, +2.0, 0.0, -9.8
Again, practical. Again, I'll have to test it, but having essentially the same hold for both rifles out to 300 yards is very appealing.
As far as optics, the scope that will be mounted is still in question for my rifle but the swfa scope on yours is very tempting. Thanks for the excellent information.
Finally, for either of the zero theories above, the obligatory peace sign medallion on zombie hippies will be an excellent point of aim when TEOTWAWKI is upon us.
- Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:41 am
- Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
- Topic: 2 .308 Bolt Guns, 2 Different Visions....
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Re: 2 .308 Bolt Guns, 2 Different Visions....
Have I mentioned YOU'RE KILLIN' ME HERE!
One question: The pictures on your post, were those targets set at 50 yards or 100?
One question: The pictures on your post, were those targets set at 50 yards or 100?
- Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:40 pm
- Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
- Topic: 2 .308 Bolt Guns, 2 Different Visions....
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Re: 2 .308 Bolt Guns, 2 Different Visions....
TAM, you're killing me! I got a deal on a RGS from an FFL I work with that had a buy fall through. The wife agreed.... for Christmas. I promised not to even open the box (the DUMBEST promise EVER!) so I haven't even seen the rifle.
Great review and superlative information. Thanks.
I can't wait...
Great review and superlative information. Thanks.
I can't wait...