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Cedar Park Dad wrote:I wouldn't hold your breath on that one boyo.

I am not, but fundamentally, it was the first mistake this country ever made. Giving SCOTUS the ability to dictate constitutionality, instead of relying on the 10th amendment.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Heller was won by one vote. If/when it is revisited when Justice Kennedy or one of the four conservatives are off the bench and replaced with an anit-Second Amendment justice, then treaties can disarm Americans. The Second Amendment is just one heartbeat (Kennedy's) away from being history.

Chas.

And that is why Marbury v Madison needs to go byebye. Time to let the states control themselves.

Charles L. Cotton wrote: Heller was won by one vote. If/when it is revisited when Justice Kennedy or one of the four conservatives are off the bench and replaced with an anit-Second Amendment justice, then treaties can disarm Americans. The Second Amendment is just one heartbeat (Kennedy's) away from being history.

Chas.

This is why we need to revoke Marbury v Madison.

RoyGBiv wrote:

APynckel wrote:

baldeagle wrote:

APynckel wrote:a) You cannot make something law inside this country, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT INFRINGES THE CONSTITUTION, without both houses of congress voting on it.

I think you had better read the Constitution. Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2 reads [The President] shall have Power, by and with Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur"

So, when it comes to treaties, the House is not involved at all. All it takes is for the Senate to approve the treaty by a two thirds majority, and the President to sign the treaty, and it becomes binding on the US. As to whether or not a treaty can abrogate the Constitution, it cannot, but that wouldn't stop our politicians from approving it anyway or the Executive branch from enforcing its provisions, Constitution notwithstanding.

But a treaty cannot nullify a constitutional amendment.

That's what baldeagle said... see bold

I know, I responded after only reading the first sentence.

baldeagle wrote:

APynckel wrote:a) You cannot make something law inside this country, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT INFRINGES THE CONSTITUTION, without both houses of congress voting on it.

I think you had better read the Constitution. Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2 reads [The President] shall have Power, by and with Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur"

So, when it comes to treaties, the House is not involved at all. All it takes is for the Senate to approve the treaty by a two thirds majority, and the President to sign the treaty, and it becomes binding on the US. As to whether or not a treaty can abrogate the Constitution, it cannot, but that wouldn't stop our politicians from approving it anyway or the Executive branch from enforcing its provisions, Constitution notwithstanding.

But a treaty cannot nullify a constitutional amendment.

Just had them put me on their no solicitation list, minus my American Rifleman mag.

VoiceofReason wrote:What was the number that called? I read a couple of reports that there are “phishing” phone calls from people saying they are from the NRA. They are trying to get a credit card number and other info.

877-318-1086

Cedar Park Dad wrote:This is why not having a landline is helpful...

I agree thats an interesting argument to make. Their joining in a lawsuite WITH the ACLU against the NSA (just came over the news wires) is something I'd go for more.

They called my cell.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:Are you certain it was the NRA?

100%

On top of my life membership.

Their reason for asking was a scare tactic about the UN "arms treaty", saying that if the senate passed it and then if the president signed it, that it would become law.

a) You cannot make something law inside this country, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT INFRINGES THE CONSTITUTION, without both houses of congress voting on it.
b) You will never remove the weapons or ammo manufacturing from this country with a foreign treaty
c) How difficult would it be to make your own firearms if they did somehow stop the manufacturing of them? There are CNC programs available out there for downloading, and all you have to do is press "go"

This severely bothered me. I completely trounced their argument, and the person who called me had to hang up. I thought the NRA would be better than this fear mongering, and instead tout how they were going to defeat such a thing, instead of trying to bolster more money.