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Jumping Frog wrote:If the kind of talk going on in these forums actually resulted in 3:00 am jackbooted thug federal raids, then it seems like it really would be the time for armed insurrection. Geez.

Truth.

Just wanted to apologize for getting so passionate with my responses last night. I'm tired of seeing the history of "compromise". The people have allowed the government to take more and more from us. I feel (it is my opinion) that SCOTUS giving itself the power to declare any law it wants to constitutional is the fault, coupled to ignorant americans.

How far until NDAA is found constitutional, even though it's a 100% clear 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendment violation? Because all it would take is for SCOTUS to say "YUP!" and it's law. Then every gun carrying person will be kneejerk called a fear monger and a threat, and we're all in camps.

What happened to constitutional amendments? What happened to following the rules, and obeying the constraints?

We have no way to protect ourselves anymore from anything this government decides it wants to do to us.

So, I am sorry, Chas, and others. I just want some kind of security to know that everything is being done to protect me, and my rights. I am legitimately scared, and I need reassurance.

Jumping Frog wrote:

All common (post 1803) "SCOTUS" constitutional / unconstitutional cases are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. SCOTUS was never allowed to dictate constitutionality! They usurped that power, under their own decree, and were never challenged by the legislature!

Have you ever actually read the Constitution? Why don't you review Article III, including but not limited to Section 2.

No where in A3S2 does it state that SCOTUS can dictate constitutionality by "judicial review"

Ask yourself, why would the founders want a federal government that can determine constitutionality of its own laws? "Fox guarding the henhouse" much?

jmra wrote: I'm confused. You talk about this "God forsaken Union", then you "wave the American flag.

It was a sarcastic comment attempting to recollect the feelings we had for the original union. Notice its mention in quotations. We no longer live in a Union.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

APynckel wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:This idea has been discussed in other threads and it won't work. States can't void federal law by passing a state law that essentially "opts out."

I know all of the philosophical arguments, but it won't work. I don't want the most pro-gun Governor we've ever had pushing something like this and loosing the next election because his Democrat challenger points out the futility of such a bill.

Chas.

They can, because the constitution specifically states that interstate commerce, is the only commerce that the Federal Government has jurisdiction in.

You need to read some of the absurd Commerce Clause cases. Congress can do pretty much anything it wants and Supreme Court case law will support it. The only recent case that hinted at a limitation on the scope of the Commerce Clause was the Obamacare case. It's the only bright spot in Robert's sellout.

APynckel wrote:Are they going to arrest the entire state, and its legislature?

Nope. They'll wait until some poor sucker actually believes the proposed law means something and makes a machine gun, short-barrel shotgun or rifle, or anything else covered by the National Firearms Act. Then the clueless Texan will be arrested, tried and convicted, and sent to prison as a felon.

Sorry, I won't "fight" for a bill that would put good people in prison.

Chas.

All common (post 1803) "SCOTUS" constitutional / unconstitutional cases are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. SCOTUS was never allowed to dictate constitutionality! They usurped that power, under their own decree, and were never challenged by the legislature!

Make a State "Bureaucracy" under the 10th amendment that manages all intrastate sales of class III devices. Undercede BATFE and the NFA. Show that Texas can manage it better, faster, and CHEAPER than the NFA registration can! Tell the Federal monstrosity that it does not have the power to tell the people what they can and can not own.

If the federal government had the "right" to provide healthcare, it would say so in the constitution! Just because SCOTUS says it's constitutional, doesn't make it so! That is nullified by Marbury v Madison in its entirety. The American people have been duped into thinking that it's SCOTUS' job to tell them that something is unconstitutional, rather than knowing that it's unconstitutional, based on the constitution!

What if those good people are willing to face prison so that their state will back them? So that the Texan, and American people can once again live life without the federal government interceding in EVERY SINGLE THING THEY DO?? What if someone is willing to go down, so that the federal government will be devastated? So that the People shall wake up?

Would that be enough for you, and the TEXAS LEGISLATURE to support? We are TEXAS! We are the only state that has been its own independent country before entering this god forsaken "union"! Fight for your people, Chas! Fight for Texans! Fight for TEXAS! Intercede Chas! Thumb the federal government! Tell them to get bent! House those whom the federal government considers criminals under your wing, and fight for your People!

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

bizarrenormality wrote: APynckel,

Roscoe Filburn grew wheat on his farm that was eaten on his farm. It did not cross state lines. It was not sold. Despite those plain facts, SCOTUS said that could be regulated as interstate commerce. It's all been down hill from there.

Then give up, roll over, enjoy obamacare, social security and FICA and the deliciously awesome care you'll get from them!

I for one shall not be silenced, and intend to proclaim the overreaches this government has placed on its people, the people who RULE IT!

I am tired of being subjected to law that I had no part in voting for. Law that takes almost a third of my paycheck to pay for things that this government has no constitutional authority to pay for. Redistribution, bailouts, SS, FICA, Obamacare... I don't give a hoot anymore. I'm tired of it all. I want this country back to how it was designed. A country run by a body of independent States.



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Charles L. Cotton wrote:This idea has been discussed in other threads and it won't work. States can't void federal law by passing a state law that essentially "opts out."

I know all of the philosophical arguments, but it won't work. I don't want the most pro-gun Governor we've ever had pushing something like this and loosing the next election because his Democrat challenger points out the futility of such a bill.

Chas.

They can, because the constitution specifically states that interstate commerce, is the only commerce that the Federal Government has jurisdiction in.

Fight, Chas!

Are they going to arrest the entire state, and its legislature?