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philip964 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:41 pm Xiden will host the now rich George Floyd family at the White House.

Oh, that'll be good for a couple million black votes....... good idea, Joe.

I wonder if the black people of the U.S. will ever wake up to the fact that they're being played.

.... and the worse they make it look, the more money they get.

One aspect of the race issue is that whenever it's convenient, the difference between races is reduced to skin pigmentation. The differences are cultural and social, not cosmetic. For example:
39% of murder victims are black.
90% of those are killed by blacks.
A third of all rapes, and over half of all robberies are committed by blacks.
1 out of 3 black men have felony conviction records.
Black women are 3 times more like to be killed by domestic violence than white women.
77% of black babies are born to unmarried women.
The black high school dropout rate is about 40%. In some big cities, it's over 80%.
Subsequently, the average black wage earnings are less than half that of whites.
38.4% of blacks are obese, compared to 28.6% of whites.
Because of diet and lifestyle factors, blacks are 40% more likely to be diabetic than whites.
The number of unarmed blacks killed by police in all of 2019 was 10. The number of police killed in the line of duty by criminals was 89.
There is much, much more.

These are the REAL issues pressing on the black community, but when's the last time you heard Jackson, Sharpston, BLM, et. al. address them? Never, because they're not "glamour" issues that get media attention. It's all about "racist police" and "oppression by the white man."

But whenever we talk about certain issues, this all magically vanishes, and it's simply just "skin color."

parabelum wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:27 pm

Ruark wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:09 pm

parabelum wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:00 pm

Ruark wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:54 am There are very specific markers present at an autopsy when a person dies from asphyxiation, such as increase blood CO2, eye vascularity, etc. The county coroner found none of these. Floyd died from coronary failure, aggravated by the stress of being restrained and fentanyl intoxication. The "celebrity doctor" hired by the family ignored these findings and simply watched the video, and didn't even mention his toxicology. From what I can tell, this whole thing is yet another media-generated farce, just like Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, et. al. And now our cities are burning, while truth, as usual, fades into oblivion. What a freaking mess.

Incorrect Sir. Read the actual autopsy report from the county coroner above.

Sorry, I don't see anything in that report that negates what I wrote. FWIW, the preliminary report, as is widely known, said "no physical evidence of strangulation or asphyxiation."

Coronary failure is not really the same as cardiopulmonary arrest. Cause of death is LE subdual, restraint and neck compression (says not me but the county ME).
As far as fentanyl or meth, yep, present but ME cites those as “other significant findings” and not as cause of death.
As far as his heart issues, I bet 70%+ of folks on this very forum have the same disease and are still typing away...

Of course there’s no physical evidence of strangulation or asphyxiation. Nobody had their paws around his neck. Actually that’s even more troublesome as I believe he died very slowly and painfully.

I think if cops are gonna continue using this method, they should at least once experience (like a taser) what it feels like not to be able to expand your diaphragm while 180 pound or more individual has their knee pressing against the neck. Chill in that position for 5+ minutes then come back and tell us all about it.

I didn't personally check it out, but I read that he was complaining of having trouble breathing before he was removed from the police car.

Grayling813 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:16 pm Concerning biological markers for asphyxiation...are they the same markers if someone is not choked, ie cutting off oxygen as opposed to cutting off blood flow to the brain via compression of the carotid arteries?

Cutting off blood flow is strangulation.

parabelum wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:00 pm

Ruark wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:54 am There are very specific markers present at an autopsy when a person dies from asphyxiation, such as increase blood CO2, eye vascularity, etc. The county coroner found none of these. Floyd died from coronary failure, aggravated by the stress of being restrained and fentanyl intoxication. The "celebrity doctor" hired by the family ignored these findings and simply watched the video, and didn't even mention his toxicology. From what I can tell, this whole thing is yet another media-generated farce, just like Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, et. al. And now our cities are burning, while truth, as usual, fades into oblivion. What a freaking mess.

Incorrect Sir. Read the actual autopsy report from the county coroner above.

Sorry, I don't see anything in that report that negates what I wrote. FWIW, the preliminary report, as is widely known, said "no physical evidence of strangulation or asphyxiation."

Interesting that to my knowledge, so far we haven't heard a peep from Chauvin or his attorneys.

If his attorneys are skilled enough to use the above information in getting him acquitted, heaven help us; the riots thus far will be a Sunday picnic in comparison.

Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:51 am So what I am gathering is the officer that had his knee on this gentlemens neck had nothing to do with his death is what some of you are saying? Quick question. If the officer didnt have his knee on his neck would you think Mr George would have died that day and still be alive to this day during that incident? Or he still would have died regardless?

I don't know, I'm not a coroner. But as I said, there are specific markers for asphyxiation that show up in an autopsy, and Floyd didn't have any. He was also intoxicated with fentanyl and showed recent methamphetamine use. Fentanyl - meth combinations are responsible for about half of the overdose deaths in this county. Plus, he had multiple heart conditions. I'm not saying this is proof of anything, pro or con, I'm just stating some pertinent facts, not that anybody cares. Any news announcer that spoke of this information would be fired and ostracized.

There are very specific markers present at an autopsy when a person dies from asphyxiation, such as increase blood CO2, eye vascularity, etc. The county coroner found none of these. Floyd died from coronary failure, aggravated by the stress of being restrained and fentanyl intoxication. The "celebrity doctor" hired by the family ignored these findings and simply watched the video, and didn't even mention his toxicology. From what I can tell, this whole thing is yet another media-generated farce, just like Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, et. al. And now our cities are burning, while truth, as usual, fades into oblivion. What a freaking mess.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 9:23 am Holy smokes folks! What if the defendant did not directly cause the mans death?! I don't know what the charges would be but certainly not murder. Good lord! Thanks srothstein for posting this. We will see what the final autopsy says but by golly I was wrong to jump to conclusions.

I won't make a bit of difference, just like the "correct, updated" information on Eric Garner, Michael Brown, et. al. didn't make any difference. In fact, the coroner has already been labeled as a racist tool of the police department, and the family is hiring a private autopsy (the same guy who autopsied Michael Brown) to find "the truth."

Sad. I just read that they ransacked and looted the College Football Hall of Fame in Atlanta. Ran off with autographed game balls, trophies, etc. What a freaking mess. Here we go again.

srothstein wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 4:11 pm CNN says the preliminary autopsy report shows that the knee did not cause any injury or strangulation. The big question to ask yourself is if you can tell how much pressure he is putting on the man just from the video. Was it actually pressing on the carotid? Or across some other part of the neck.

I wouldn't be surprised. Eric Garner didn't die from a choke hold (he died from a heart attack in the hospital an hour and a half later). Michael Brown didn't have his hands up, and wasn't shot in the back. Treyvon Martin was a 6-foot thug with a backpack full of stolen jewelry, and was literally seconds away from killing Zimmerman if he hadn't shot him. Tamir Rice, the "boy with a toy gun" was a 200 pound teenager who pointed an airsoft replica at an officer. It goes on.

After the Eric Garner incident, blacks everywhere were claiming "I can't breath!" while being restrained for arrest. When officers let them up, they would take off running.

And now we have George Floyd. I can see the cop using that knee on the neck; Floyd was 6'6" and a muscular 300 pounds. He was huge. To that scrawny little cop, it was like restraining a horse. Maybe the knee caused his death, maybe it didn't. We will soon know.

Hard to believe. There were several police cruisers in the videos, and numerous officers. It's hard to conceive that they would commandeer a busy downtown intersection just to make a fake video. Any time something like this happens, these wild stories come out of the woodwork.