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by Ruark
Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:57 am
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: Critical legislation for 2015
Replies: 206
Views: 38532

Re: Critical legislation for 2015

Ruark wrote:
CleverNickname wrote:I disagree. The CHL class boils down to "Don't be a jerk. You're not a junior policeman now. Here's where you can carry and where you can't. Please stay awake for long enough to regurgitate this info in a multiple choice test. Shoot this 50-round test that a blind spastic monkey could complete." Passing the CHL class doesn't make someone "elite" in any sense of the word.
Perhaps "elite" is too strong a word. But compared to some of the OC loonies, a CHL holder has at least a minimal status as being a law abiding, reasonable person. I guess it depends on what kind of CHL class you had. Mine was extremely thorough and detailed, and the teacher had 30 years of law enforcement (police, DEA, Blackwater) experience. Granted, it's not commando training, and it's not supposed to be. But having the exhaustive background check, etc. stands for something when it comes to credibility.

Let's not allow this discussion to be sidetracked into an argument on the content and value of CHL classes.
by Ruark
Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:55 am
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: Critical legislation for 2015
Replies: 206
Views: 38532

Re: Critical legislation for 2015

CleverNickname wrote:I disagree. The CHL class boils down to "Don't be a jerk. You're not a junior policeman now. Here's where you can carry and where you can't. Please stay awake for long enough to regurgitate this info in a multiple choice test. Shoot this 50-round test that a blind spastic monkey could complete." Passing the CHL class doesn't make someone "elite" in any sense of the word.
Perhaps "elite" is too strong a word. But compared to some of the OC loonies, a CHL holder has at least a minimal status as being a law abiding, reasonable person. I guess it depends on what kind of CHL class you had. Mine was extremely thorough and detailed, and the teacher had 30 years of law enforcement (police, DEA, Blackwater) experience. Granted, it's not commando training, and it's not supposed to be. But having the exhaustive background check, etc. stands for something.

Let's not allow this discussion to be sidetracked into an argument on the content and value of CHL classes.
by Ruark
Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:10 am
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: Critical legislation for 2015
Replies: 206
Views: 38532

Re: Critical legislation for 2015

Russell wrote:Just to put my 2 cents in, I am very much against any attempts to lower the standards for who can receive their CHL. This includes shortening classroom time or especially removing some of the disqualifying criminal offenses. As it stands right now, those that have their CHL can say they are part of an "elite" group that has, for the most part, never been in trouble with the law. If we start lowering that bar we are only shooting ourselves in the foot :tiphat:
I STRONGLY STRONGLY agree. Amidst all of this silliness from OCTC, the public's general hysteria about guns, etc. there is one island of calm and common sense: the CHL holder, who has passed the test and has proven to be a "high quality" group. We're an island of calm and competence in this whole issue. I'm sure many legislators would support licensed carry for CHL holders, just taking the CHL privilege a step further to carrying openly. If we lower that bar, we gradually sink down into the rabble and our credibility fades.

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