What college campus are you working on ???nightmare69 wrote: I can say my mentality has really changed since getting into LE. Dealing with the scum of society everyday and seeing the pure evil man is capable of would change anyone.
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- Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:28 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Breath Taking No Knock Atrocity
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- Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:50 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Breath Taking No Knock Atrocity
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That was one incident... that initiated the whole SWAT concept. There has been much more blood spilled (and it's all the same color regardless if it comes from a cop or citizen) on botched raids than there was in LA after that bank robbery.nightmare69 wrote:I see your point but what is the solution? Ban all vets from being police? Take away all MRAPS and military style weapons and gear? If the California cops would of had rifles and better gear and training of today I doubt the Hollywood shootout would have spilled near the amount of blue and citizens blood.talltex wrote:Therein lies the problem! As others have said, Law Enforcement is not the military, and the use of high risk military tactics against civilians is wrong.nightmare69 wrote: Most of our swat guys are either still in, or were in the military and we all are on the same page.
There have been far too many cases of wrong addresses, innocent people killed or wounded and LEO's shot by their own adrenalin hyped fellow officers to cavalierly blow it off as "collateral damage". It's a high risk procedure that could usually be avoided, but has become overused because of the proliferation of SWAT/SRT teams in departments that only have them because "everyone else does", and the team members want to use all their toys and play "special ops"...even in situations where it's uncalled for. "When you're holding a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail".
- Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:36 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Breath Taking No Knock Atrocity
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NO...you are only a para-military organization in that you wear uniforms and and have assigned ranks. You are being taught and told by your trainers that you are entitled to use military tactics. That is something that has only come about in the last 20 years when the federal government started passing out military equipment to police departments. It's NOT the mentality of the average citizen that has changed toward the police...it's the attitude of the average police officer that has changed toward the citizens they are supposed to protect and serve!nightmare69 wrote:I know retired LEOs who used to carry a .38 wheel gun with only two speed loaders and never wore a vest. The weapons and armor has changed a lot along with the mentality of the citizens towards police. We are a para military organization and use military style tactics. I know most citizens will disagree with that but it's true.Charles L. Cotton wrote:
I've worn the badge and uniform and bad guys were no less dangerous than they are now. A retired DPS Lt. said it best. "Respect for law enforcement and community relations are rapidly declining because of what cadets are being taught in academies all over the country. Cadets are being taught that they are the pointy end of the spear. They are taught to be not just COPSs, but judge, jury and executioner. That came from a high ranking officer with over 30 years experience. He too longs for the days of community policing.
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- Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:25 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Breath Taking No Knock Atrocity
- Replies: 153
- Views: 23679
Re: Breath Taking No Knock Atrocity
Therein lies the problem! As others have said, Law Enforcement is not the military, and the use of high risk military tactics against civilians is wrong.nightmare69 wrote: Most of our swat guys are either still in, or were in the military and we all are on the same page.
There have been far too many cases of wrong addresses, innocent people killed or wounded and LEO's shot by their own adrenalin hyped fellow officers to cavalierly blow it off as "collateral damage". It's a high risk procedure that could usually be avoided, but has become overused because of the proliferation of SWAT/SRT teams in departments that only have them because "everyone else does", and the team members want to use all their toys and play "special ops"...even in situations where it's uncalled for. "When you're holding a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail".