I just HATE hearing stories like that. I was a Jeep Dealer for 25 years, and that's the kind of stuff that makes so many people mistrust all dealers. I'm sure that in Illinois it was a union shop, and in that case, even if the Dealer or General Mgr. was aware of it, there's very little they can do to discipline the employees that treated you that way. Management can't go back and speak directly to the technician or the service advisor...all they can do is talk to the union rep, and request that he look into it. I had a friend who was a dealer in Ohio, and his horror stories about dealing with the union made all of us from down here cringe. He couldn't even set the working hours for his own business without the approval of the union representative.jimlongley wrote:And yes, the tech did it out of spite. I was in the dealership arguing with the service manager about the fact that it was not cooling very well (this was before I knew what they had done) and he had the tech who had worked on the vehicle take me out to show me that it was cooling down to spec temps. The tech reached under the dash with his turkey thermometer and shoved it hard up into the works. That evening my wife complained about something dripping on her feet. I took it back to the dealership the next day, by which time all of the refrigerant had leaked out and the compressor locked up. Eventually they replaced almost the entire ac system, but they never did pay my wife for the shoes that were ruined by the refrigerant leaking on them.
The vehicle was purchased from a dealership in Albany NY, and then I was transferred to IL. When I took it in for scheduled service, the local dealership wanted me to take it back to NY for service; I called Jeep and they confirmed that my plan was good anywhere. When the power steering went out, under warranty, they wanted me to take it back to NY for warranty repair; I called Jeep and they confirmed that warranty repair was anywhere. When I took it in due to the trailer towing harness fusing together (a memo or service notice, I don't remember, but it was internal and I only found out about the notice because the son of a co-worker worked at a different Jeep dealer and told me about it) they wanted me to take it back to NY; Et Cetera. And the AC thing was the final straw, because that time it was only in for a checkup before a trip, and we wound up without the vehicle for the trip. Lots more to the tale, but after that I started using a different dealership (of course many miles away due to Jeep's company rules about separation) instead of the one that was walking distance from my workplace.
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- Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:12 am
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- Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:42 am
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Your 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee should never have had R-12 in it...they all came with the R-134a system from the factory...the first domestic model to do so. Chrysler had built the all new "state of the art" Jefferson Avenue assembly plant in Detroit, just for the Grand Cherokee. That was the first year for the Grand Cherokee and that was a big deal...it garnered a lot of publicity because it would never have to be retrofitted like the other 1993 models.jimlongley wrote:
Dupont never "lost" the patent, the patent expired, not quite the same thing, especially from someone so intent on getting the facts straight.
In 1996, my Jeep Dealer replaced the R12 in my 1993 Grand Cherokee with R134, swore it was a government requirement and that it was same for same, and it not only did not cool near as well, it did cause problems that had to be fixed by Jeep, but not until after I went to war with them. Of course the puncture that the dealership put in the evaporator when the tech rammed a thermometer into the coils might have had something to do with it.
- Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:40 pm
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This is really getting run into the ground, but I just can't help myself... JP171 is pretty much correct...my earlier post on this thread addressed how most laws and regulations get changed...to benefit someone or some group and allow them to make more money...period. There are still some misconceptions being put out here: first R-12 has NEVER been banned. You can still buy R-12...BUT it costs over10 times as much as R-134 (the current automotive refrigerant)...the regulations were changed to protect Dupont's cash cow, and to benefit some others in the automotive industry. By ensuring that the market for R-12 would be constantly diminishing over time, it discouraged other chemical companies from moving into the market when the R-12 patent expired, which is why it's so expensive today. What the regulation change actually did, was require all vehicle manufacturers to change over to R-134 on new vehicles by 1995, which ensured a new and constantly growing market for the R-12's patented replacement R-134 . Most started changing over earlier...the Jeep Grand Cherokee was the first model to already have the new R-134 system in place when it was introduced in 1993. The new regulations also required all dealers and repair facilities to purchase all new equipment to service the new systems as well as requiring them to buy "recovery stations" so that neither R-12 or R-134 was released into the atmosphere when the systems were worked on, which was a big benefit to all the equipment manufacturers because the government regulations forced the dealers to buy their products (hmmm sounds like a preview of obamacare...lol). The idea that these new "recovery stations" would save the ozone layer sounded like a noble sentiment, but they failed to consider that all the "Freon" had already been released into the atmosphere BEFORE the people bring it in to be repaired. They bring it in because it's NOT COOLING...and it's not cooling because all the Freon has leaked out...either through a hole in the evaporator core, or the compressor seal, or one of the hoses or fittings. No one drives up and says they'd like to have their Freon changed. Here endeth the lesson.JP171 wrote:rotor wrote:Freon R12 was banned I believe in 1995. What facts should I check? Virtually every car air conditioner used R12 prior to the ban. The ban was to "protect the ozone layer" You could go to Mexico and get R12 at any time so I guess we only protected the ozone layer across the US. There were never successful retrofits for R12 cars so if you wanted an air conditioned car in Texas you had to buy a new one. Same thing is happening now with CO2 tax but countries like China can dump as much as they want into the atmosphere.
OK I can agree with the spirit, but not the facts, first of all "Freon" is a brand name owned by DuPont and it encompasses many types of refrigerant, so yes R-12 or refrigerant formula 12 is banned, because DuPont lost the patent not because of anything else no matter what the politicians say. so yea check your facts. All CFC's or chlorinated fluorocarbons were banned at that time including R-502, R-12, R605 and several others, HCFC's are due to be banned very soon as in the next 2 years. All this is occurring because DuPont lost the patents and its been couched in lies by many including Al Gore. The countries that are signatory to the Montreal Protocol and no Mexico and most 3rd world countries are not signers as they don't have large use of the product, agreed to phase out any and all refrigerants containing Chlorine because of Ozone damage as the chlorine binds with the Oxygen molecule and damages the Ozone by removing 1 oxygen molecule but its a lie that we are causing global warming
as far as successful retrofit, its not necessary to change crap, r-134A is not quite as good as 12 but the oil is miscible in small systems, does not cause problems and works just fine, on top of that it has been addressed to show you that again you need to check your facts there is a drop in replacement that works just as well as r-12 it costs more but works just fine same as there are several drop in replacements for r-22 the stuff you use in your house AC so please don't compare apples the libtards and don't speak on a subject you obviously know nothing about
- Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:37 pm
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Exactly...if we had a true free market, you put the products out there and the market will dictate which ones survive, rather than government regulations...which are generally written to favor one product or manufacturer over the others in the market. It's called LOBBYING...and it's purpose is to legislate advantages. An uncle who was in the legislature for years explained it this way: "there's never been a bill written, or amended that wasn't going to make someone a bunch of money. We don't sit around dreaming up legislation...it's brought to us by "interested parties", via lobbyists... then we ( actually his staff) have to study it and try to figure out exactly what changing a few words in the existing bill is designed to accomplish...and then whether or not we think it will be better or worse for our constituents...assuming that you're not just taking the "campaign contribution" and the other "benefits" and just giving them the vote regardless." With very few exceptions, I've rarely seen his analysis proved incorrect.VMI77 wrote: So what?......that's not the point. I personally like LED lighting but in some applications I choose to use incandescent. THAT's the point: CHOICE. The government has no right to take away my choice --even if it means I'm using more electricity, electricity THAT I PAY FOR. There is no difference in principle from banning a bulb and banning an SUV or pickup truck because a Prius is more fuel efficient.
- Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:08 am
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The government has mandated that they will not be available for sale...but if you have'em, you can use'em. I don't really care much, but my wife does...she hates flourescents, and over the last year or so has been buying up cases of incandescents and we probably have enough stockpiled in one of my storage facilities to last us many, many years.jimlongley wrote:Working at Home Depot, I deal with people looking for incandescents and have to explain that the govt has mandated that they cannot use them any more.
I have been switching to LEDs for years, long before they were commonly available and were relatively expensive.