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let it go as did I

I stepped out of line.

Wow what rock have you been hiding under for the last few 30 to 40 years.

yobdab wrote:

GSchretter wrote: Oh by the way. I am a very clean cut and in shape, not some tatto up longer hair hippe druggy.

What's wrong with long hair and tattoos?

Boo hoo, look at me !!!

DaveT wrote:

GSchretter wrote:Only reason I can figure out why he did it is because I cracked my elbow Saturday and my arm was hanging down to my waist and I could not move it and he saw that I was injury and decided to get off and pick on someone with a disability.

Been following this thread with interest. Surprised to see how fast folks went to their corners on the subject matter. I see that on motorcycle boards all the time, but not on here that much.

Only problem I have is with the above statement. Since I am PERMENANTLY and TOTALLY 100% disabled, I don't think that someone who "cracked" an elbow is going to be labeled as disabled.

And in all the years I have been disabled, I have never had any store employee anywhere "pick on someone with a disability".

SRVA wrote:Gentlemen, You may respectfully disagree with each other's opinion on issues but personal attacks will not be tolerated. Stop.

Steve

True and thanks.

It is kind of funny that for some reason O6nop says I am going around trying to pick a fight, but looks who is doing it on this board?

O6nop wrote:

GSchretter wrote:
You are correct but for a moment try to understand why I carry the bag.

You are correct when you see a fanny pack it could have a gun in it,
but I do not carry the bag for the gun but for a decoy.

A bad guy will think the same thing. Hey, that guy has a bag must be a gun in it. Grab the bag and we got him. Right?, wrong, when the bad guys tries the grab the bag, I pull the real gun out of my pocket.

I am left handed and carry the bag in my right hand.

The bag is a decoy.

You are correct that I do need to carry a less tactical bag.
Especially when wearing danner black boots and black BDU, and carrying a benchmade knife in my pocket. ;)

This is certainly your option, but to me it is endangering innocents because of your bravado..

Basically, it appears that you are trying to invite an altercation by whatever means you can . Sounds like you are chomping at the bit to shoot someone. Why not walk around with a stack of bills hanging out of your shirt pocket? That way stupid bad guys will attack you. And I'm sure you can handle every scenario that arises as you tempt the baddest of the bad to take you on...

To me, the safest place to be is Ft Worth Cabelas, because you won't be there.

Good to hear. Last thing I want is to see another liberal flapping his jaws about how people should dress and or act.

Please stay and hide in your home from life, no one will miss you.

If you look like you are ready for a fight they will leave you alone. If you are not paying attention and not ready for any kind of issue then you will become another sheep.

Oh ask any CHL instructor or police officer they will tell you the same thing.

Sorry I want to be a dog not a sheep in life.

I guess we have another troll running around.

CHL/LEO wrote:

A bad guy will think the same thing. Hey, that guy has a bag must be a gun in it. Grab the bag and we got him. Right?

Or if it's a "very bad guy" he will see the bag and just shoot you right then...

True and if he did not see a bag then he would also just shot you too.

Oh and I guess if you had one of those camera jackets on or had your shirt untuck then he would in no way try anything.

tfrazier wrote:

Popshot wrote:GSchretter

In your case, that specific Cabela's employee certainly overplayed his role. Who knows, he may even be an anti. In any case, he needs a new job or an education and attitude adjustment so he knows what he can and cannot do in the future. Unfortunately for you, the store manager will likely not be able to do anything about this situation now.

I like to go to that Cabela's when I visit family in Fort Worth. Each time I have visited, I carried with hip holster with large overshirt. No employee noticed, or at least, said anything.

Your choice of the hip pack played a role in this confrontation. Since that pack is designed for handgun carry, it was a signal to the attentive, but badly behaving employee to intercept you. You were "profiled".

Something for you to think about:

If the a retail store employee made an educated guess about you because of a specific piece of equipment, is it likely that bad guys could make a similar conclusion? Bad guys are not always dumb, but are usually devious and dangerous. This is a good opportunity to re-evaluate your methods.

I was a Texas LEO from 1987 to 1995. It is very easy for me to spot an off-duty officer and many times a CHL by the gear they are wearing. You see Rocky tactical boots, the S&W knife clip in the pocket, and the angle of the right elbow when we think we're just hanging out and relaxing. I did it, too, and had to conciously work at blending in after friends and family started pointing out how I 'telegraphed my command presence' when I was off duty. The fanny pack is typically a dead give-away. A fisherman's shirt over a t-shirt with a quality shoulder holster is the best option I've found.

You are correct but for a moment try to understand why I carry the bag.

You are correct when you see a fanny pack it could have a gun in it,
but I do not carry the bag for the gun but for a decoy.

A bad guy will think the same thing. Hey, that guy has a bag must be a gun in it. Grab the bag and we got him. Right?, wrong, when the bad guys tries the grab the bag, I pull the real gun out of my pocket.

I am left handed and carry the bag in my right hand.

The bag is a decoy.

You are correct that I do need to carry a less tactical bag.
Especially when wearing danner black boots and black BDU, and carrying a benchmade knife in my pocket. ;)

O6nop wrote:

Having read the account carefully

I read the account carefully, too.
I feel like there's something missing here, that's all. I have met a lot of jerks in my life but I've never met one like this Cabela's greeter that wasn't drunk, high or severely challenged mentally. A guy, for no reason accuses someone of carrying a gun, surely he doesn't do that to everyone... He says he "knows" he had a gun in the bag. We don't know that he doesn't until later, we find out he's carrying a gun bag but the gun's in his pocket. Why was it in his pocket instead of his bag? Did he move it while in the parking lot? Did someone see him with it and notified the front desk? All we know is that he tells the guy he has a CHL. Pretty much admitting that he had a gun without showing him, or did he? Did he ever show him the gun or CHL? We don't know. He never denied having a gun. It sounds like he admitted he did. Did he comply with the guy? The guy didn't restrain him enough to prevent him from walking into the store although he followed him. And the orange vest, did it say "security" on it? There just seems to be a lot that isn't revealed. I'm filling in the blanks with my imagination, I guess.

I'm trying to imagine someone being a total jerk as he describes, but in my 50 years, have never met anyone like that, gun related or not. I'm trying to get to why this greeter guy would react the way he did. I'm not trying to accuse or defend anyone, just interested in learning all I can about these situations, since I carry. I may want to know what to do in a situation and why someone would react like this guy did. I probably would have reacted quite differently, but I won't know until it happens.

I'm just hoping that we hear back about how the complaint went and what actions were taken.

1. Never at anytime was the gun exposed. It always stays in my front pocket.

2. If I did exposed the gun then I should have been arrested right? Didn't you take the CHL class. I was told that if you expose your gun for any reason unless your life could end you will go to jail.

3. I carry a bag because I switch between different cars all the time and I do not feel like picking up all my personnel item each time. Yes I have carried a bag for years before my CHL and no I am not g a y.

4. I did not show him anything, he started to back off, when I told him, "What do you think I am stupid" and I moved to defend myself. He got the picture but I should not have moved to that level.

You can try your best to put it back on me, but the fact is I was a customer that walked into their store and I felt that I was treated very unprofessionally regardless if it is your favor store or your personnel experiences. I am not here to debate what has happen but to make people aware there could be trolls as like yourself at Cabelas.

I think the store is great but they might need to work on their professionalism toward customers. I been to the store at least 20 times and always have had a great experience.

Only reason I can figure out why he did it is because I cracked my elbow Saturday and my arm was hanging down to my waist and I could not move it and he saw that I was injury and decided to get off and pick on someone with a disability.

I am over it and if I do meet him again, I would like to talk to him about it but I do not want him fired just understanding. Maybe he was having a bad day.

he probably is a really cool guy that I could share a beer with.

If I do go to the store again, I will not have my bag with me since the store / employees are jumpy about them.

I do see a stores point about checking fire arms but a CHL does have the right to carry. Yes the store can question the CHL but it should be in a professional manner.

Well this is last time on checking the thread I need to move on.

hi-power wrote:

AV8R wrote:...but I'm hoping that I wasn't the catalyst which led to closer scrutiny for customers.

YOU'RE the one! Get him!

I haven't been to Cabela's while carrying yet. IIRC, a forum member works there. I wonder if he'll weigh in on this topic?

That would be great then I can forward his comments along with mine.

O6nop wrote:

subject: Never going to Cabelas in Fort Worth again

I will be constructing a letter to the president of Cabelas about my experience but just be prepared when you walk in that someone might have a few rude question why you have a one of those bags strapped on or what the budge you have on your side.

Sportsman Guide has a sign and has no problem with me carrying so I will go there for now on.

I do not blame the store at all. Actually I really like the place and I have spent a good amount of money there.

I was informing people of how a certain employee treated me.

I thought it was a complaint about the store.

Let us know what comes from the complaint. I'm sure they will have to follow up on it and send you a corrective action.

Hopefully, if he's let go from Cabelas, he won't get a job at Sportsman's Guide , Then where would you go?

Bass Pro shops, Noooo..........!!!!
Just kidding...

O6nop wrote:

Then he walk closer to me with a very frim voice and said I can not let you go anywhere. Now lets check that gun

I'm not sure what you meant about "anywhere", if he wouldn't even give you the opportunity to leave the store, then he was wrong. If he meant anywhere in the store, well that's questionable.

My take on this is that he thought you had a gun in the bag, as you say. Telling him that you don't have a gun should give you a pass. Even showing inside the bag would have satisfied him, but I wouldn't think you'd have to do that.
Say you walked into the store with a rifle case marked "SKS". Wouldn't you think he has the right to examine it? Even though it may not have a gun in it?
There is a sign posted on the doors requesting all guns be shown before entering, as a store policy. I don't think that has anything to do with concealed carry law.

Bottom line is somehow he knew or suspected you had a gun. He doesn't know how stupid or smart people are, it sounds as if he was doing his job. Basically, you told him you had a gun. Maybe his actions were inappropriate, and possibly potentially illegal. But I wouldn't blame store policy on this incident.

I do not blame the store at all. Actually I really like the place and I have spent a good amount of money there.

I was informing people of how a certain employee treated me.

stevie_d_64 wrote:Question or need of clarification "GSchretter"...

The link you provided showed some belt "rigs" that look like fanny packs...

Is that the "bag" you are referring to, and the "bag" the orange jacketed store employee was referring to???

Or were you carrying the firearm in an opaque/not clear, or see through "shopping" type bag...

I guess I haven't "clicked" to this just yet...

That bag from the web site.

txinvestigator wrote:

GSchretter wrote:

Wildscar wrote:

GSchretter wrote:I am a very clean cut and in shape, not some tatto up longer hair hippe druggy.

Careful about stereotypes. Serial killers often have an everyday Joe look.

GSchretter wrote:I have carried several times there before.

Here is the bag I had:
http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum2513.php

I'm condoning what he did in any way. He just knew what to look for. Sorry for your poor encounter.

You do make a good point about the serial killer thing.
I guess what bothered me was his approach. He could have walked up to me and said Sir, if you are bringing a gun in the store for an employee to view we need to check it"


Not cornering me and raise his hands to block my movement.

Next time I will go with a shirt that says:

"NO, I am not carrying a gun for an employee to check" ha ha..

I like Sportsmen Warehouse more anyways.
I just did it for the 20% coupon.

At the moment he made you feel not free to go, he restrained you.

Texas Penal Code

Text
§20.01. Definitions.

In this chapter:

(1) "Restrain" means to restrict a person's movements without
consent, so as to interfere substantially with the person's liberty,
by moving the person from one place to another or by confining the
person. Restraint is "without consent" if it is accomplished by:

(A) force, intimidation, or deception;


§20.02. Unlawful restraint.

(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or
knowingly restrains another person.

(c) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor


I would have, at minimum, called the PD. I would have told him to move aside, and when he did not I would have taken action. I am under NO obligation to answer his questions or tell him I have a CHL. If they have a policy against carry in the store, they can order me to leave. However, cornering me, placing his arms up and telling me that "he can't let me go anywhere" establishes his intent to PREVENT me from leaving.

Thank you for seeing my point.

casselthief wrote:what you fail to appreciate, is that it is that guy's job to make sure no one goes into the store with an out in the open loaded gun.
It's the same way at Sportsman's Warehouse.

he shouldn't have been able to spot your carry gun. If it's in a bag, then he has to assume you are going to show it to a sales associate.

He never saw the gun. It was in my front pocket.
He saw the bag and assume there was a gun in it.

Also Sportsmen Warehouse has a sign not someone question every single person with a bag.