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by Jusster
Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:18 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: texas open carry
Replies: 97
Views: 12228

Re: texas open carry

Mamabearcali

I guess we just see things from a slightly different perspective. I wouldn’t be against open carry if it were to pass here in Texas and I’ll leave it at that. Thank you for your point of view. :tiphat:


Anygunanywhere:

Ok you got me…..I walked right into that one. Great introduction and you will not be forgotten :lol::


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by Jusster
Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:54 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: texas open carry
Replies: 97
Views: 12228

Re: texas open carry

mamabearcali wrote:

Well here in the gold star carry state of VA if you can buy a gun you can carry a gun. So the mentally ill (proven), felons, etc are not permitted to buy guns. I bet it is the same in TX. Blood does not run through the streets here too often, and when it does it is usually a thug with his gun in his hoodie, not an OCer with a gun on their hip in a retention holster that does the misdeeds.
It has already been proven that laws prohibiting the above mentioned from purchasing guns do not work. That’s one of the primary reasons I have a CHL. As far as who causes blood in the streets, well I think that is debatable. Everything can't be blamed on the thug in a hoodie. If that is the only threat we are looking for then we’ve already lost half the battle. Where I live, in NW Harris County, a lot of the crime is committed by your typical suburbanite.
mamabearcali wrote:

You know, no one would say that we should only have licensed religion or licensed speech (other freedoms listed in the bill of rights), but we do this for the 2nd amendment and accept it as just dandy.
It may not be licensed but it surely is regulated/censored. You can’t tell me you can walk down the street (or TV/radio) and say whatever you want to without repercussions. Privately, yes. Publicly no. But I do agree with you that in theory it should be this way.

mamabearcali wrote:

That is theory and philosophy. We live in the real world where we have to deal with the brady bunch and people whose underpants gets twisted in a knot the moment they think they see a weapon. So like I said before take what you can get and if at this time going for constitutional carry/open carry would tear up everything else you are doing then get what you can. Licensed carry is better than no carry, shall issue is better than may issue.
Completely Agree :tiphat:

Jumping Frog wrote:

If you had ever lived somewhere where open carry was common, you'd realize that it is pretty easy to tell the difference. Gangbangers have typically had multiple "police experiences" already that have taught them they do not want to be caught with a gun. They don't wear holsters, period. You see a guy walking through the grocery store with a handgun openly holstered on his belt, that is not someone I'd assume is a criminal.
Nope, I have never lived anywhere that open carry was common or legal. I will disagree with your assumption that gangbangers who typically have multiple “police experiences” have learned not to carry or be caught with a gun. I'd go as far as say it's a common occurrence that they probably have multiple gun related charges on their record. How hard is it to purchase a holster? You know what they say about assumptions right?

Anygunanywhere wrote:

Common sense gun laws and reasonable restrictions will resolve the problem of bad guys carrying.
Will it? How has that worked so far?
by Jusster
Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:14 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: texas open carry
Replies: 97
Views: 12228

Re: texas open carry

rm9792 wrote:How would that be different from now? BGs are carrying as we type, laws dont stop them. At least with OC we can see it. I wouldnt open carry but think it should be allowed. Lord, even California allows it.
I completely agree with you that laws don’t stop the BG’s from carrying. Chances are most of them will conceal as they always have. A few will blatantly carry just because they can. I don’t even disagree that open carry “should” be allowed in theory.

My main issue is more with stereotypes and enforcement especially in large metropolitan areas. We would need a complete buy in from the County/City officials and LEO that everyone is free to carry regardless of what they may look like. I just don’t see that happening. Not right now anyways. Licensed/Concealed is peace of mind for me. No one knows what I’m carrying so no alarm. If the situation arises that I’m ever asked by LEO to produce ID, I give them my DL and CHL and hopefully there will be no further questions. Questions like why I have a gun, is it legal for me to carry (no matter how I’m dressed), what my vehicle looks like, or the color of my….ah hair.

On the flipside, I do believe that there are some people who should not be permitted to carry a firearm. Violent convicted felons, the mentally ill, people with proven addictions to drugs or alcohol, and true domestic violence offenders (I think these laws need much improvement though). I may have left out a few. My point is how would we know? How do you keep these people from open carrying if there is no license that permits proven law abiding citizens to do so, and the assumption is everyone has the right to carry without question? We wouldn’t let them drive a car, but they can open carry down Main St. no problem? I’m all for 2A rights, just with a little common sense behind it to make it safe for all.

I don’t know I could be wrong….hopefully so. But that is my dilemma, two contradictions :headscratch


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by Jusster
Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:56 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: texas open carry
Replies: 97
Views: 12228

Re: texas open carry

Jumping Frog wrote:Good guys walking around with holstered handguns are a different story than gangbangers walking around with a "fotay" shoved in their hoodie.

So how does one determine the “good guys” from the “bad guys”? Dress code? I’m not so thrilled about the idea of unlicensed open carry. I see it as a big problem waiting to happen.


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