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by Javier730
Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:11 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?
Replies: 56
Views: 9013

Re: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?

thetexan wrote:I don't take it personal and I apologize for snide remarks.

You're a good man wildbill. You keep me on my toes
:tiphat: :clapping:
by Javier730
Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:29 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?
Replies: 56
Views: 9013

Re: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?

WildBill wrote:
thetexan wrote:Ok. The context for what I was stating is the same. And, please, feel free to post you in depth analysis of the statute at your convenience.
The purpose of my posts is to clarify facts and impart some knowledge to the forum members, not to belittle you.
You seem to take some of my comments as personal insults to you and respond with snide comments.
I can't help it if that is your reaction.
If you are aren't willing to take them as constructive, then my in depth analysis on any subject would be futile.
I will still continue to make my posts for those who are willing to read them.
Hopefully some of the forum members will gain some insight and knowledge about the subjects that are discussed. :tiphat:
I'm willing to read them! :mrgreen:
by Javier730
Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:57 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?
Replies: 56
Views: 9013

Re: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?

One situation I could see were one may be caught outside of their vehicle with an aggressive person is after a fender bender. People tend to go a check on their vehicles and they usually check if the other person involved is alright.

Other than this, I don't see myself being outside of my truck, in traffic and being attacked by person.
by Javier730
Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:07 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?
Replies: 56
Views: 9013

Re: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?

MadMonkey wrote:
Solsand wrote:Ok here we go, I'd really like to know what is going to be inside/ outside LTC law-

Hypothetically, a road rage incident of some kind takes place. We both have to stop at the next light. Driver approaches me on foot WITHOUT a weapon, words are exchanged. He decides to turn this into a physical confrontation, takes a swing and I am knocked to the ground. I'm carrying - he could be - so I immediately draw my weapon and tell him he can either be shot or he can back off and freeze. I call 911 and explain the situation and ask for LEO to come out. My question- can I legally hold him at gun point until LEO arrives? Will I likely be arrested for drawing my weapon? Not looking for the "you should have just shot him/ fear for life" answer. I am tying to see if this altercation can be handled in the manner I have just described without having to shoot this guy. I know most of you have probably seen the video of the two ragers in Austin last month, where one guy approached the other with a bat. He could have been shot and the shooter would not likely have been charged. This scenario is not what I am describing...

Thoughts? Advice? Thanks.
1. If you have the ability to safely leave the light (i.e. without putting someone else in danger), do it. Make a right, cross the intersection, anything to avoid someone who is coming at you in a threatening manner.

2. Barring that, do NOT leave your vehicle. It very, very rarely goes well when both parties "take it outside". You're leaving a somewhat secure location for zero benefit; there would have to be multiple reasons for me to do so.

Once you leave your vehicle and get into an argument/fistfight, at a stoplight no less, it's going to be harder and harder to convince me that you're not just as guilty as the other guy.

Always think de-escalation.
:iagree:

Getting out of your car is a bad idea for so many reasons. The guy might have buddies following him that can come up behind you, other drivers might panic and try and drive away at the sight of you holding the guy at gunpoint which could cause an accident or get you run over, a LEO might pass by and see you pointing a gun at someone, the guy can pull out his own gun, etc.

All getting out does is increase the chances of a physical confrontation and something bad happening. Holding the guy at gunpoint may also not be as easy as it sounds. That often doesnt even work for police.

If you do have to shoot the guy, it should be because you had no way of getting away in your vehicle and because the guy was punching through your window to pull you out (you said he approached unarmed).
by Javier730
Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:29 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?
Replies: 56
Views: 9013

Re: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?

I would suggest not stepping out of your vehicle at all. Roll up your windows, have your firearm low and ready if you believe you might need it and try to get away safely when you get a chance. I see no reason to step out.

The only reason one would step out is to have a verbal or physical altercation with the other guy.

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