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by Javier730
Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:42 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self-defense against unarmed thugs
Replies: 32
Views: 5765

Re: Self-defense against unarmed thugs

SheilaYates wrote:
Deltaboy wrote:Same here ,bad back, bum right leg, I am a leave me along and I do the same to You. IE the Golden rule I preach restated. At 49 I'm too crippled to run and too old to fight anymore . I have become the Old Man that my Dad warned me about when I was young. :tiphat:
If you feel no longer fit to fight because of being 49 yrs. old, you should stay away from trouble that you might not get into danger. :tiphat:
Im sure everyone on this forum does their best to stay away from trouble. Problem is, trouble can find you while your going about your everyday business. Trouble can come to you even when you are in your own home. Knowing that is one reason we get chls.
by Javier730
Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self-defense against unarmed thugs
Replies: 32
Views: 5765

Re: Self-defense against unarmed thugs

The Annoyed Man wrote:
MeMelYup wrote:
Jumping Frog wrote:
cb1000rider wrote:I understand that and I've always had trouble with the opinion (that I've largely seen on this forum) of "I'm drawing, I'm firing". Seems like those should be two different decisions, assuming you've got the time to make them.
I agree they are different decisions. However, I phrase it a little differently: "If I am drawing, I am willing to fire if necessary."

I believe there are some people who have the belief that merely drawing a handgun is some kind of magic talisman that will cause the other person to flee in horror. They do not have any expectation that if they draw, they may need to shoot. Merely drawing may be all that is required 95 times out of a hundred, but sometimes the other person's reaction will quickly escalate the situation where shooting is necessary. A person who hasn't thought that through and is simply displaying an empty threat instead of serious purpose is going to find things going quickly sour.
I believe that is the point. A person must never draw their firearm unless they are willing to use it. If you draw your firearm only to defuse the situation, you must be willing to use it if the situation escalates. Therefore, never draw your firearm unless you are willing to use it.
If you feel compelled to draw your firearm, you should also be willing to reholster without firing, if drawing successfully deescalated the situation. But either way, the gun is being "used"..... either to interrupt the attack, or to end it.

If someone is charging at you with an angry expression, shouting and threatening mayhem, and you draw your gun and aim, consider drawing and aiming as a preemptive act to whatever follows:

A) You draw the gun. The guy stops his charge, apologizes, backs away, and leaves - the gun gets reholstered.

B) You draw the gun. The guy stops his charge but keeps shouting threats and otherwise actiing aggressively - the gun stays unholstered, at the low-ready, until the situation resolves to either (A) or (C), at which point it is reholstered.

C) The guy does not stop his charge - you shoot him, and once he's down, you reholster.

My point is that there is a world of difference between:

A) If you draw, you had better use it; and

B) If you draw, you had better be willing to use it.

(A) is the wrong answer.
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Pulling the firearm out is "using" it. A firearm being used to stop an aggressor fortunately does not always have to be fired to stop the threat. I've successfully "used" my firearm once to stop a threat and the firearm was never fired.
by Javier730
Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:46 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self-defense against unarmed thugs
Replies: 32
Views: 5765

Re: Self-defense against unarmed thugs

cb1000rider wrote:Maybe that will change when I'm older and a little less capable. The risk, however, is the same - I could get killed simply by being knocked out and hitting my head wrong.. Or wind up serious crippled because due to a brain injury..
Age difference= disparity of force. We all understand the dangers of any confrontation but some cases, the threat is easier to prove than others, especially to 12 people who could not find a way out of jury duty. :lol: 1 on 1 fair fight not so easy even though we all know the threat is there.
by Javier730
Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:17 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self-defense against unarmed thugs
Replies: 32
Views: 5765

Re: Self-defense against unarmed thugs

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cb1000rider wrote:
AJSully421 wrote:Disparity of force. (2 on 1, even if unarmed, age difference)
I don't get this argument. I've seen skulls broken, 1:1 - no disparity in size force. Any physical assault can be deadly. Why does it have to be 2:1 or a big difference in age or size?
I agree with your statement. Any assailant can be dangerous, but in this case, disparity of force would be easier to explain to 12 of my peers. If a one on one fight between individuals of the same stature was about to take place and one individual pulled a firearm and shot him, it could be considered justified but it would be difficult to prove. Would you draw on a person who became aggressive with you and did not have a weapon in their hands? Just curious.
by Javier730
Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:24 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self-defense against unarmed thugs
Replies: 32
Views: 5765

Re: Self-defense against unarmed thugs

What cowards. Disparity of force because of age, size and number of assailants. Preventing a robbery and serious bodily injury. A person in this position would definitely be justified from removing these vermin from the gene pool. That is disgusting.

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