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by hpcatx
Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:56 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
Views: 13499

Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

Interesting follow-up to this discussion was posted yesterday. The context is a Forbes Magazine article saying Ron Paul was incorrect about the Fifth Amendment.
'Forbes Claims Ron Paul Was Wrong About the Fifth Amendment' by thenewamerican.com wrote: But we do have the exact opposite example from George Washington during the Whiskey Rebellion. President Washington did order rebellious citizens to "disperse and retire peaceably to their respective abodes," and he did call out the militia to stop what he labeled "overt acts of levying war against the United States" during the Whiskey Rebellion. But that was only after Washington received permission to use force from Congress and had sent a delegation to meet with the violent insurgents in western Pennsylvania. And even after that, Washington used minimal force. He did not automatically try to "take out" any insurgents as Obama has done in the war on terror. After the Whiskey Rebellion ended, the U.S. Senate applauded Washington's "lenient and persuasive measures" that avoided unnecessary bloodshed.

In fact, when a man and a boy were killed by federal militia under Washington's command, Washington ordered both shooters arrested and handed them over to Pennsylvania state prosecutors. Washington did this even though the man had been killed while clearly resisting arrest. Judges later ruled that both shootings were accidental and set the militia members free, but Washington's example in the only two deaths under his command is a sharp contrast with Obama's assassination list today. As Thomas Slaughter noted in his book The Whiskey Rebellion, "Federal officials had hoped to instill fear among dissidents, but not necessarily to kill them; friends of order had no wish to open themselves to charges of oppression or to create martyrs useful to the political opposition."

Original thenewamerican.com article.
by hpcatx
Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:39 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
Views: 13499

Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

This may be a moot issue, as he may not be dead... according to the Underwear Bomber.
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Sarcasm aside, Keith B has the most insightful comment.
Keith B wrote:He had pledged allegiance to military force who is an enemy of the United States (aka al-Queda) with which war has been declared against. Once that has happened, the person is an enemy combatant and not an unlawful combatant (i.e. no longer a civilian, but a soldier of al-Queda) as described in the 1949 Geneva Conventions Article 3.
The real question at the heart of this debate is at what point does this shift occur and does it need judicial, or other official, certification given that he was originally a US citizen.

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