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by Lucky45
Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:27 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shootout in South Carolina with video
Replies: 50
Views: 7250

Photoman wrote:Yes the kid retreived a pistol and was moving to get the drop on the officer...who was patiently waiting in his car, gun in hand. The cop had plenty of time to leave.
I don't fault the cop for staying put in his car. Like I said earlier, if he had tried to drive, the guy could have caught him with both hands on the wheel while driving out and fired into the car. Just good thinking by the cop and being aware of possible danger. I would have stayed put too until the other guy left.
by Lucky45
Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:26 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shootout in South Carolina with video
Replies: 50
Views: 7250

Eyewitness account here.
Clerk Describes Shoot-Out

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 - 06:27 PM Updated: 07:06 PM

By Jenny Fisher
WCBD - TV 2

When you walk into the El Cheapo gas station on Dorchester Road, you can hear the clerk saying, "That's $2.49. Thank you. Honey, come on baby" as she gestures to the next person in line. Vernell Brown dishes out change, stands watch and greets customers all at the same time. Yet, she never expected to add a shooting to her flurry of activity.

Brown said, "I've never been in no shoot-out." Yet, there's a first time for everything and the store's surveillance camera caught it all. There's no audio, but Brown was there from the beginning, "I knew something was going to happen," she said. And after hitting the ground to avoid bullets, she was there in the end. Brown said, "They acted like they were at the ok corral somewhere."

After 15 years as a store clerk, you can expect straight-forward talk from Brown. She said, "I don't think he acted appropriately. It doesn't hurt to say excuse me." She's talking about Off-Duty Cop and Mayoral Candidate Omar Brown, when he reached for his items in front of Customer Antonio Rivers, who appears in green in the video.

The cashier said, "Omar Brown came back to the counter and reached over him. Rivers turned around and said, 'Man, you know, you bumped me.' Brown said almost rudely, 'I said I'm sorry.' Rivers replied, 'You didn't say nothing.' So, Rivers turned back around for me to wait on him and Omar Brown walked off and he turned around and said, 'You ain't seen bumped me yet.'"

As Officer Brown left, Clerk Brown, who's of no relation, said she tried to calm Rivers. The clerk said, "I asked him not to go out the door. He said F this so he was mad, and he went storming out the door." The clerk ran to a window to watch what happened next. She says she saw Officer Brown in his Mercedes, parked near the door. Brown said, "I'm like, why's this man sitting here. He sat there and it's almost like he sat there and waited."

The clerk says Rivers walked towards Brown's car with his arm at his side. The clerk said, "That's when his car came open and I was standing in the window watching everything and all I saw was a big, black gun."

The clerk says Officer Brown fired the first shot, but Rivers returned fire. It's a scene Brown says she'd rather see in the movies than on the job.

Officer Brown has told us he did not exchange words or bump Rivers in the store. Regardless, the solicitor says it's not so much words, but actions that matter. Scarlett Wilson reviewed the surveillance video and says it's clear Rivers rushed out of the store for a gun to solve the disagreement that took place inside the store.

22 Year-Old Rivers is in jail on charges of assault with intent to kill. 39 Year-Old Officer Brown is recovering from a bullet wound to the thigh and working on his campaign for mayor.
by Lucky45
Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:14 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shootout in South Carolina with video
Replies: 50
Views: 7250

fm2 wrote:It looks to me like he had good awareness, re-gained the initiative (by gaining mobility and getting his own gun into action) and maintained a better position till the fight ended.
I have been watching the second video and trying to see at what point did the officer get shot. So far I can make out the suspect brought up the gun towards the officer while suspect was running the opposite direction. The officer ducked at that point obviously from the report of the suspect's gun. Then after the officer had fired his first volley, he paused and the suspect fired again, because he ducked one more time and returned fire. During the time, the officer also lowered his weapon to his side instead of maintaining contact. So, I'm assuming that he got shot during one of those periods. Because he touched his left leg when he got in the store and was hopping out gingerly on it to his car.

Lessons learned from video is :
1) keep moving to good cover
2) never lower your weapon unless you are reloading.
3) keep watching your suspect to see what their intentions are, until they leave. (officer could have been ambushed while he was driving out)
4) never turn your back on a possible suspect.
5) read the suspect's body language ( this guy was marching with long strides with arm behind his back; Dr. Freud says he was on a mission like a soldier)

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