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03Lightningrocks wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Say what you will but this is 100% brought on by the OC radicals who carry long guns openly in places they do not belong. I truly believe it is their intention to do this as they perceive concealed carry permit holders as the enemy.

I don't think I understand. Where were the long guns carried that they did not belong? Is there a law that says they did not belong? Are the areas posted? How does one determine where a legally carried firearm does not belong? Who gets to say where they do or do not belong? You? Me? Our opinions may differ greatly.

I may not agree with the tactics used, but if they were not doing something illegal, then they had a right to do it. Similar to the minority that stood up to Colonel Smith at that bridge, who were denounced as rabble and accused of making things worse for peaceful citizens, it might just be that these guys are the ones that set the wheels in motion to correct the wrongs forced upon us by our government, and they were doing something illegal.

I think you understand but it suites your purposes to feign ignorance on the issue. I'll tell you something else that it seems nobody has said yet. If you really are of the mindset that a guy walking into the isle of the Home Depot you work at with an AR15, in PLANO TEXAS!, where nobody has any reason to be doing such a thing, I pray for your sake the guy is a bad shot.

Nope, and now I understand even less, because someone carrying a long gun in a non-threatening manner is not a threat, no matter where they are carrying, even in a Home Depot that I DON'T WORK AT in Plano TX. You make a very poor case.

03Lightningrocks wrote:Say what you will but this is 100% brought on by the OC radicals who carry long guns openly in places they do not belong. I truly believe it is their intention to do this as they perceive concealed carry permit holders as the enemy.

I don't think I understand. Where were the long guns carried that they did not belong? Is there a law that says they did not belong? Are the areas posted? How does one determine where a legally carried firearm does not belong? Who gets to say where they do or do not belong? You? Me? Our opinions may differ greatly.

I may not agree with the tactics used, but if they were not doing something illegal, then they had a right to do it. Similar to the minority that stood up to Colonel Smith at that bridge, who were denounced as rabble and accused of making things worse for peaceful citizens, it might just be that these guys are the ones that set the wheels in motion to correct the wrongs forced upon us by our government, and they were doing something illegal.

mojo84 wrote:I'm going to plagiarize this with your permission?

Concealed Handgun licensees in Texas have:

No Felony Convictions - Lifetime!
No Class A or B Misdemeanor Convictions in the last Five Years!
No Delinquent Conduct in the last Ten Years!
Have Passed Both State and Federal Fingerprint and Background Checks!
Are not delinquent in child support, student loans, or State or Local Taxes!

HOW MUCH DO YOU KNOW ABOUT YOUR OTHER CUSTOMERS?

You post the sign, and we will happily respect your wishes by spending our money elsewhere.

No problem, I think it's public domain anyway, I have had it on cards for many years.

I see it from a different point of view, and answered as such:

"The article headline should have read: "Texas Provides a Path for Business Owners to Discriminate Against Law Abiding Citizens"

Concealed Handgun licensees in Texas have:

No Felony Convictions - Lifetime!
No Class A or B Misdemeanor Convictions in the last Five Years!
No Delinquent Conduct in the last Ten Years!
Have Passed Both State and Federal Fingerprint and Background Checks!
Are not delinquent in child support, student loans, or State or Local Taxes!

HOW MUCH DO YOU KNOW ABOUT YOUR OTHER CUSTOMERS?

You post the sign, and we will happily respect your wishes by spending our money elsewhere.

In study after study crime has been shown to go DOWN in states and communities where CHL is allowed, and this extends even to the smallest subsets of society, in short, Texas business customers are safer due to concealed carry than Chicago customers.

And despite all of the handwringing moaning and groaning that Chasse does about the "a simple sign is hindering Texas businesses' ability to avoid costly incidents of injury, death, property damage and loss of reputation" it is still merely, as she said, a "simple sign" and she could only come up with ONE anecdotal (Texas, it is what we are talking about here, right? Florida has no such law) incident to make her case. One single incident out of thousands and thousands over years and years worth of CHL holders peacefully shopping in businesses that recognize that CHL holders are not criminals who would disobey the signs in the first place but are law abiding citizens who are no danger to the business or its customers.

But thank you for providing this excellent example of the shrill alarmist tactics of the gun banners of the world, it provided a few fleeting moments of humor."

And I don't see where the "open carry crowd" has really contributed to her rant in any way. Open carry as allowed in TX is already stopped by gun busters signs, and most of her rant was about the signs that have onerously been forced upon the businesses of TX , which are only for CHLs. Yes, the OCC has been a little more (OK a lot more) visible than CHL, but after all, concealed is concealed, but other than using it as an excuse for her opinion piece, she failed to present any valid argument against it.