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After I get back from physical therapy I intend to download that wikipedia chart and check it against other sources.

Remember that Wikipedia is vetted by volunteers, and they may or may not be biased one way or another. It may also be a long time before they catch up with information, Jim Zumbo's name was listed as one of the defintions of "Quisling" for a couple of weeks.

A short time ago, to prove a point, I entered a bogus article on Wikipedia and left it there for several days. I removed it myself after showing the people who felt that Wikipedia is a citeable source.

BTW, the definition that I entered was "Cheffing" that is, performing as a chef, acting as a chef, etc. Totally bogus, but harmless enough in the long run. A firend's son is a chef and his parents tease him unmercifully about "cheffing" while he says there is no such word. So his father, after I did my thing, challenged him to look it up on Wikipedia and he came away very chagrined. Then we revealed my duplicity, and had a good laugh, even if the still say he's "cheffing" at work.

dihappy wrote: "... how come America has about 30,000 gun crime deaths a year and the UK with strict gun control has less than 150?"

I was about to post something along the lines of:

"Why the total crime rate per capita is higher in the UK than the US?"
but i find conflicting numbers and nothing up to date so far.

"Why is there a greater risk of being murdered by knife or bomb in the UK?"

"Why doesn't the UK government ban knives? Why does the UK have the highest rate of illegal drug use in the EU?"

Do you think those are valid points? Anything else i can come back with, or is Gun Control something that actually works in the UK?

Should i just bite my tongue? Is our crime/murder rates just a product of a "free" country?

Thanks :)

No, they had significant rises in crime rates after the ban, then they had slight drops and a levelling. There have been many more knife and bludgeon attacks than we have, but the debaters usually ignore those stats and spout ones of their own that skew the numbers.

Arguiing with them is a little like wrestling with a pig in mud. It doesn't accomplish anything, you get dirty, and the pig enjoys it.