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by jimlongley
Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:34 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: 50 States Secede
Replies: 197
Views: 26554

Re: 50 States Secede

mamabearCali wrote: . . . When I was in school and pledged allegiance to our country. I was not pledging allegiance to the name only, but to everything the country stood for. When the country's very nature changes to something opposite of that which it was it raises very serious questions that need answering. Recently I have felt like the Israelites in Babylon as a stranger in a land that is suddenly very strange and not at all what it used to be. I am still working out my thoughts and feeling on this and what it means.
Thus, the desire to remove from the country that has become and return to the country that was.

A sentiment I can subscribe to, although I very much doubt that we ever will return to that ideal, if it ever existed.

When I was a child in school we got a liberal propaganda rag that we were forced to subscribe to, "The Weekly Reader" was supposed to be some sort of news magazine for kids, but it always seemed a little suspicious to me, and I feel that where we have gone has been much the way they were attempting to point us.

Of course I was always somewhat suspicious of school in general, too.
by jimlongley
Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:51 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: 50 States Secede
Replies: 197
Views: 26554

Re: 50 States Secede

Kythas wrote:I'm hearing that signing any of the secession petitions is a reportable offense if you have a security clearance, and the FBI is investigating all the people who signed one. If you have a clearance, it may be grounds to have that clearance revoked.

Also, the FBI may be placing all people who signed the petitions on a watch list.
I'm not worried, my clearance is so old that most of what was secret then is public knowledge now. :mrgreen:
by jimlongley
Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:39 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: 50 States Secede
Replies: 197
Views: 26554

Re: 47 States Secede

canvasbck wrote:
Wienerdogtroy wrote:
pbwalker wrote:
Wienerdogtroy wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
Nonsense. It's not unconstitutional and it's not treason.
If you tried to rebel, the FBI and the US military will beg to differ. And yes, its treason. :txflag:
How?
Derp derp, advocating the breakup of the Union. The case of Grant v. Lee (cert denied) settled this question.
Your back trying to claim that signing a petition is somehow treasonous. Did you just conveniently ignore my post where the first amendment is quoted? You accused me of treason and I asked you to show me one single post of mine where I advocate anything that would be treason. Instead of backing up your accusation with evidence of treason, you just keep making the same accusation directed at others. Just like when the left can't prove racism, they just keep repeating the accusation as if that somehow makes it valid.
And the fact that "Grant v Lee" is merely an example of the north's aggression as they tried to retain the land that they would have lost if Lincoln hadn't pulled his hail Mary with Grant. Until Grant, the north was doing a fine job of losing the whole thing and Lee was threatening to take over a large portion of the State of PA as well as DC. In the long run, Lee's loss was as much a failure of supply availability, logistics, and manpower as Grant and but for a couple of tactical errors, albeit major ones, at Gettysburg, Lee might have been all the way to Albany ala Sherman in the same time frame, and obtaining all the supplies he needed up there.

Advocating secession is not the same as armed rebellion, even if it might lead to it, and thus is not treason.
by jimlongley
Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:07 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: 50 States Secede
Replies: 197
Views: 26554

Re: 47 States Secede

AEA wrote:That Daily Caller article stated a good reason why Texas may be the only State with a shot at doing this. Good read.

Page two details how Texas could divide into 5 separate sections instead of seceding and immediately have 10 US Senate Seats! Harry Reid is prolly going NUTS over this!

Oh....he is already NUTS anyway!
The five "separate" sections would be states in their own right, and the senators thus "gained" would be beholden only to those states, not to Texas.

And then there is another fact to consider. The territory that was annexed was much larger than the State as it stands now, which could lead to the conclusion that the other four states already exist, a;lbeit with some additions and corrections.
by jimlongley
Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:19 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: 50 States Secede
Replies: 197
Views: 26554

Re: 15 States Secede

Heartland Patriot wrote:I don't put any stock in that kind of thing. Many of you well know how much I loathe and despise the current administration, but some petition on a website ain't going to lead to secession. There would have to be enough citizens in each state to bring it to some sort of a vote in that state, and the majority of the people of that state would have to vote for it. That I might consider seriously, but it ain't going to happen...too many people LOVE the free phones, birth control and other handouts. Why would they want to be cut off? And unfortunately, that includes Texas as well. Which is why I would have liked to see someone who could lead the nation without it crashing and burning, which it will end up doing at the rate we are going. I understand the sentiment the people signing those petitions represent, but I just don't see it coming to much.
And BHO would loose his dogs of war and bring the errant sheep back into the fold by force just as was done in the War of Northern Aggression in 1860.

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