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A guy rang my doorbell a couple of days ago, wanted to trim my trees (which do NOT need trimming) but had already walked away by the time I got the dogs calmed down and opened the door. I had my .45 down by my right thigh as I opened the door and just after I opened the door he veered back around and started to approach me, but just as he turned his partner next to their truck said something, and then a cop turned the corner into the cul de sac. It seems, I found out later, they had already approached a couple of neighbors and one of them, cluing in on the pickup with merely a step ladder in the back and no obvious tree trimming tools, had gotten suspicious and called it in.

I waved to the officer, pointed to the "tree trimmers" and went back inside.

Crossfire wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

steveincowtown wrote:Feel free to come to my door pedaling magazines, your church, lawn services, etc.

Wear want you like. Suit and tie, shorts, t-shirts.

Have as many tattoos as you want, even one of those little ear lob stretching earrings.

You will all get the same answer through a shut door "Sorry, we will have to pass, I would open the door but I can't trust my dog not to bite, have a good day."

I am a friendly guy, know most of my neighbors (just well enough ), and love my friends. My house is my home, if I don't know you, stay off my land and don't knock on my door.

Period...

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No I usually leave the Garand inside in preference for my Mossberg 590.

thenick_ttu wrote:

Crossfire wrote:Sorry, kid.

There it is!!

It's the disconnect between old farts and young pups. Most young people today don't see tats as anything more than body art or a way to express themself. Old people see tats as something that an upstanding member of society would never do, which is completely ridiculous in today's society.

And I go back to my previous statement... the OP did not know if these two had the required permits. Unless the permits are required to be displayed while doing door-to-door (like a necklace), then he couldn't have known if they had the permits. He knew that permits are required for his neighborhood and assumed these two "shady" looking characters didn't have the required permits.

And just to answer any speculations... no, I don't have neck tats or sleeves. I don't have any visible tats. I just don't automatically think someone is a criminal or thug just because they have tats all over their body.

Thus exposing your own set of prejudices. Tattoos were not invented by young people and as an old fart with no tattoos I can testify that they have been seen as merely body art for more generations than I have been alive, but there is a clue in the type and style of tattoos that might well lead to conclusions about the lifestyle of the wearer. I don't judge people because they have tattoos, but if your knuckles say something obscene or your neck tat feature violence and you have three tears in the corner of your eye, that's a whole 'nother thing.

That said, I have called the cops on solicitors on a regular basis, and on a gas company guy who refused to show identification, and a water meter guy who couldn't show ID, and I will continue to do so. My property is just that, and you have no right to be there soliciting me, but if my city issues you a permit, you can come to my door and I will tell you to scram while prominently displaying my holstered 1911.

The gas company guy was almost funny, the gas had been shut off down the street and as a routine they turn off the gas at all of the meters fed by that main, and he was working his way down the block doing so. He shut off the gas at our meter, and then without even attempting to secure permission or even simply notify us, he entered our fenced back yard, where there is no meter. My dogs had him backed against the fence and he was threatening them with a wrench when I came out the door with my .45 in hand while my wife called the cops. I told him what would happen if he connected with one of my dogs while swinging the wrench and I sent the dogs into the house. Then I suggested that he wait for the cops to arrive while he protested that he had work to do and tried to leave.

When I asked him for ID after he explained that he was there to turn the gas off at the meter, he refused to present it, merely pointing at his headgear and saying "Look at my hat."

The cops didn't accept his hat as proof either.

And they explained nicely that I had every right to "pull a gun" on him when he entered my fenced yard and threatened my dogs and suggested that the next time he entered a fenced yard he might try knocking first.