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Boma wrote:No I haven't been insulted by someone. =)

Also when I speak of grass, I'm talking about the ordinately grass that in common among most front yards of suburban homes. I believe there are no rocks or gravel under the grass. Maybe cables or pipes =)

Think in terms of the typical contractor laying down an inch or two of topsoil over whatever fill was laid down to bring the yard up to grade. Unless you know that there are no stones or rocks just under the grass, they are there. It's kind of like that "unloaded" gun.

Like my example above, a gun club near Altamont NY, where they built a new clubhouse about 200 feet in front of where the old one was, and buried the old parking lot with the excavated fill. Under the new grass just downrange was all kinds of rubble, including a couple of curbstones. Nobody considered that they might be dangerous, that anyone might ever shoot at the ground short of the 50 foot target line.

A whole bunch of years ago a friend was showing off his new M1 Carbine and started to fire 15 rounds rapid fire from about the 50 yard line back toward the firing line, at about the 13th round, about 30 to 40 feet out, he nailed a piece of concrete curbing that was just slightly buried where the old parking lot used to be, and the ricochet was awesome in both sound and vision.

Previous hits along the ground had just dug up pockmarks, but when the slug hit the curbing it splattered dirt every which way, kind of like a firecracker went off underground, and the "pwwhhheeee" of the ricochet was really impressive.

Now I know that the Carbine round is less than impressive, I own a Carbine myself, but that one shot served notice that it was powerful enough to cause a big deal of hurt if it went the wrong way.

Of course it was also kind of dumb of that gun club to just bury the parking lot when they built the new clubhouse and firing line.