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SewTexas wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:59 pm

JustSomeOldGuy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:59 pm Which 'red flags' are you referring to? The FTC requirement that 'creditors' like auto dealerships and insurance agencies are required to have a policy and protocol in place to identify if I'm really who I say I am before they extend me credit (identity theft)? Or are you saying that auto credit and insurance companies are now actively engaged in determining if I own firearms, and will refuse to insure me/finance a vehicle if I do?

thanks....I was trying to figure out where he was going too

There are multiple industries and professions required to be on the lookout for various red flags that could effect one's rights. The right to bear arms is not the only right that can be temporarily taken away until proper adjudication can be completed. However, RKBA seems to be the most passionate and hottest topic, at least on this site.

JustSomeOldGuy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:59 pm Which 'red flags' are you referring to? The FTC requirement that 'creditors' like auto dealerships and insurance agencies are required to have a policy and protocol in place to identify if I'm really who I say I am before they extend me credit (identity theft)? Or are you saying that auto credit and insurance companies are now actively engaged in determining if I own firearms, and will refuse to insure me/finance a vehicle if I do?

Not related to gun ownership. Identity and sources of money.

Operation Choke Point didn't not involve insurance agencies or companies but it did require banks to red flag gun ans weapons transactions and business.

der Teufel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:37 pm

SewTexas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:15 pm too much of this is getting really, really close to "thought" crime....it's kinda scary. You can't prosecute before the crime y'all

Yeah, sorta like New York trying to force handgun buyers to submit their social media passwords to the state police so that someone in law enforcement can decide whether or not you're fit to own a firearm. They want to base it on what they 'THINK' you might do …

To me it's similar to a lot of the 'RED FLAG' laws which circumvent due process. If you exercise your 1st amendment rights (in a manner of which someone in authority disapproves) you then lose your 2nd amendment rights.

I'm sympathetic to the basic idea (reduce gun violence) but not the methods.

You would be surprised at the "red flag" training we have to go through as insurance agents. It is especially stressed in the life insurance arena. Mist people have no idea what all goes on with regard to red flag laws and what we as agents are held responsible for.

Also, red flag is huge in the auto dealer world. Most people have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.

These nice fellas are thankful for those that are defending their right to own guns.

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The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:02 pm

Chaparral wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:17 pm IANAL, but it seems to me that membership in a criminal gang constitutes a conspiracy to commit crimes, which is illegal.

Let's say, for argument's sake, that I'm a member of the Crips ... of whom there are thousands in Texas, maybe even tens of thousands. My individual crew just hangs around and drinks a little beer on Friday or Saturday nights; and we joined the Crips just to keep from getting our butts whooped when we walk through our own neighborhood. But another set of Crips across town happens to commit a lot of bank robberies and runs crack houses. My homies and I have no idea what those guys across town plan or commit, and we want no part of it. But I can't own a gun because I'm a Crip?

See what I mean?

The Crips wouldn't allow your group to be affiliated with or called Crips if that's was your purpose or intent. The consequences you would suffer from falsely claiming to be Crips would be much harsher than what the government would do to you.

Here's another scenario to consider. Get you a leather jacket and put a Banditos patch and a Texas rocker on it. Hop on your Honda or Kawasaki wearing your Banditos colores so you won't get beat up. Ônce you've encountered real Banditos, let ius know how it went.

I would agree with what you guys are saying if the purpose of such organizations was not to commit crimes and require it's members to commit them in order to be a member. Pledging allegiance to and joining an organization that is set up to operate contrary to and violate our nation's laws is not something that should be without consequences.

Should known and admitted MS-13 members be granted asylum and allowed to come into our country just as other immigrants?

If we aren't careful, we could become another Mexico and be overrun by gangsters and drug cartels.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:02 pm

Chaparral wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:17 pm IANAL, but it seems to me that membership in a criminal gang constitutes a conspiracy to commit crimes, which is illegal.

Let's say, for argument's sake, that I'm a member of the Crips ... of whom there are thousands in Texas, maybe even tens of thousands. My individual crew just hangs around and drinks a little beer on Friday or Saturday nights; and we joined the Crips just to keep from getting our butts whooped when we walk through our own neighborhood. But another set of Crips across town happens to commit a lot of bank robberies and runs crack houses. My homies and I have no idea what those guys across town plan or commit, and we want no part of it. But I can't own a gun because I'm a Crip?

See what I mean?

The Crips wouldn't allow your group to be affiliated with or called Crips if that's was your purpose or intent. The consequences you would suffer from falsely claiming to be Crips would be much harsher than what the government would do to you.

Here's another scenario to consider. Get you a leather jacket and put a Banditos patch and a Texas rocker on it. Hop on your Honda or Kawasaki wearing your Banditos colores so you won't get beat up. Ônce you've encountered real Banditos, let ius know how it went.

I would agree with what you guys are saying if the purpose of such organizations was not to commit crimes and require it's members to commit them in order to be a member. Pledging allegiance to and joining an organization that is set up to operate contrary to and violate our nation's laws is not something that should be without consequences.

Should known and admitted MS-13 members be granted asylum and allowed to come into our country just as other immigrants?

If we aren't careful, we could become another Mexico and be overrun by gangsters and drug cartels.

Interesting how some seem to think a gang is the same as the NRA, church, service organization, club or other organization set up and intended for legal activities and purposes.

Typically, a gang is established for illegal activities and purposes. One of the criterias for becoming a full gang member is committing a serious felony. Here is some reading.

www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gangs/pages/definitions.aspx

It really irks me when people try to compare such gangs with the NRA and other organizations established to do good.