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mayor wrote:

mojo84 wrote:You said it yourself, "it took some effort". It can be done. Therefore, I stand by my comment as it can be done even when one is an adult that is a danger to themselves or others.

wasn't anything I did - either before or after. without providing details, 'cause it ain't nobody's business but ours, we worked to get help when we first recognized help was needed. it is difficult to get others to see the same things we did. after high school, he left home, but returned. things could have turned out a lot different than they did. HE sought help.

My point is blaming the parents is ignorant.

A couple of points. I have no clue what went on in your situation and do not want to know. I did not make my comment in regard to your situation. My comments were directly related to the topic of this thread. No system is perfect. The current system needs significant improvement.

The people saw what was going on and even once the mentally ill son threatened the father with a wrench and he suspected the kid was going to kill him, they still did nothing. Once he did kill his dad, the lady has blamed everything and everybody instead of taken responsibility for raising her child.

Dealing with a mentally ill family member is extremely difficult for all involved. However, the fact it is difficult isn't a valid excuse for inaction. This lady and her husband did not act appropriately in response to her son's illness. I am not blaming her. I am saying she didn't do all that could have been done and now she is blaming the system, the cops, the stores, guns and pro-gun people instead.

My family has also dealt with mental illness that resulted in tragic ends. The responsibility falls on my family and the mentally ill members themselves and no one else and surely not the inanimate object that was used. Blaming others and inanimate things does no one any good. It is only a temporary salve that use to comfort themselves but it does not cure the emotional wounds from loss or guilt.

mayor wrote:

mojo84 wrote:I believe they could have gotten him the help he needed via the courts if they really recognized how mentally ill be was and were committed to doing the right thing. Sounds to me like she is blaming others for her and her husband's poor decisions and inaction. It's everyone's and everything's fault so she can to avoid taking responsibility for how she raised her son.

this is a wheel barrow full of horse muffins. getting help while the son is a minor is difficult and once the son reaches adulthood, getting help is impossible without his consent and if you haven't had to deal with something like mental illness, you are clueless. and if you have, maybe your locale had better resources.

I read the article but I'm not exactly sure what the lady is advocating. I keep my guns locked in the safe because I, at one time, feared of what my son might be capable. He got the help he needed, but it took some effort.

You said it yourself, "it took some effort". It can be done. Therefore, I stand by my comment as it can be done even when one is an adult that is a danger to themselves or others.

She makes a big deal about the guns when they had nothing to do with her son killing her husband. Her son used a knife after a wrench didn't work. Then she speculates what could have happened with the guns. Nothing but scare tactics playing,on people's emotions to help advance her agenda. Why not blame the knife?

I believe they could have gotten him the help he needed via the courts if they really recognized how mentally ill be was and were committed to doing the right thing. Sounds to me like she is blaming others for her and her husband's poor decisions and inaction. It's everyone's and everything's fault so she can to avoid taking responsibility for how she raised her son.