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Looks like Strong is going to have to release the player he just named as the starting QB for Texas and some others. They like to hunt. http://texassports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4338" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

David Ash- Starting QB

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Born in Houston, Texas … participated in Fellowship of Christian Athletes … a second-team academic all-state selection by the Texas High School Coaches Association as a senior … enjoys hunting and fishing ... earned a spot on the Big 12 Commissioner’s Honor Roll in the spring of 2012.

Anthony Fera - Punter

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Born in Philadelphia … father, Tony, played football and wrestled at Widener University in Chester, Penn. … earned his kinesiology degree from Penn State in December, 2013 and on pace to receive one in physical culture and sport from Texas in May, 2014 … hobbies include working out, hunting and watching movies.

Cade McCrary - Holder

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Born in New Orleans, La. ... lived in Las Cruces, N.M., Dallas and Houston before moving to Austin ... majoring in physical culture and sports ... father, Hardee, played safety for Austin College and was the defensive ends coach for Texas (1998-2004) ... enjoys hunting and fishing ... two-time member of the Big 12 Commissioner’s Honor Roll (fall 2011; spring 2012).

Dillon Boldt-DB

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Born in Austin, Texas ... son of Wes and Andrea Boldt ... siblings are Caleb and Megan ... both brother and mother graduated from Texas ... started playing football at 8 years old ... member of the National Honor Society and PALS program in high school ... volunteered at the Dell Children’s Hospital ... enjoys fishing, hunting and wakeboarding.

Malcolm Brown - DT

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Began playing football at age 7 … volunteer for Adam’s Angels, an organization for families who have children with cancer or have lost children to cancer … enjoys fishing, hunting and driving … named to the A Honor Roll as a senior.

These are just some that I noticed. I'm sure they do not all hunt with bows only.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Show me where he has disciplined a player for hunting, going to the shooting ranger, legally possessed a gun or said said he will do so for the legal use of guns. Until then, I'm "inclined" to believe he is addressing the illegal aspect of gun possession or use by thug athletes.

It's doubtful we'll ever know which of his self-proclaimed rules was/were allegedly violated. I haven't seen any statement about the players who have been kicked off the team or suspected as to which "core value" they violated.

Chas.

I doubt it also unless criminal charges are filed and the reasons are made public.

Charles, I suspect you have close enough connections, surely you can get one to inquire and get Strong to elaborate and explain his position. If he does mean a complete ban on guns, including proper legal use and possession, I'll be one of the first to raise a stink with the powers that be.

As far as my drug comparison, think about public school's drug policy and let me know how tlwhat they mean when it comes to legal over the counter drugs such as aspirin, Tylenol, allergy meds and SUNSCREEN. Remember that thread? No drugs means no legal or illegal drugs including sunscreen.

Show me where he has disciplined a player for hunting, going to the shooting ranger, legally possessed a gun or said said he will do so for the legal use of guns. Until then, I'm "inclined" to believe he is addressing the illegal aspect of gun possession or use by thug athletes.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

mojo84 wrote:I just received an email from an insurance sales consultant, Randy Schwantz, that had a link to his a video he produced using Charlie Strong's "core values" as an example. You may find it of interest if you can overlook his OK Sooner shirt.

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If Mr. Schwantz is correct and the so-called "Strong Core Values" include no guns, then it does not appear that he is limiting the guns plank to any particular player with a history of unlawful use of guns. If so, then he does not need to be getting paid with taxpayer dollars at a state supported school. Why not add "No church attendance" or "no voting in elections?"

Chas.

Charles,I hear you and understand your point. If he is saying no legal use or possession of guns, I'll agree with you. I may be wrong but I just don't think he is including "no legal use of guns" such as hunting, ownership of legal or shooting etc. There has been quite a bit in the press with athletes carrying guns and getting in trouble with them. When considering the context, I think he is trying to address the illegal carrying of guns tucked in their sagging pants. I think we have to keep in mind who many of his players are. They come from inner city tough neighborhoods where carrying guns and doing bad things is very common.

Here's a question. Why isn't the "no drugs" part in question too? There are many drugs that are illegal and many that are legal. Do you assume he means no aspirin, tylenol or other legal medicine or just the illegal drugs or illegal use of legal drugs? Do we need to get him to address that he only means the illegal drugs or the illegal use of drugs? It's all about context. Now if there are things being said and written that I have not seen or am not privy to, I may change my opinion. Until then, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Whether anyone else does or not it totally up to them.

Here's an article from four years ago. http://www.si.com/more-sports/2010/09/08/athletes-crime" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HankB wrote:

mojo84 wrote:I also find it curious why you would include this comment as part of your question considering some of the athletes that have been released committed crimes and he said the others have repeatedly broken team rules .

or if the coach just likes to throw his weight around - "Respect My Au-Thor-I-Tay."

Let's take the entire sentence, instead of the edited fragment:

HankB wrote:The media hasn't really given enough details for most people to make an informed decision as to whether or not the disciplined players (other than the ones with felony arrests) had it coming, or if the coach just likes to throw his weight around - "Respect My Au-Thor-I-Tay."

Players can be troublemakers (felony arrests are trouble), but I've known some coaches who are arrogant jerks, too, imposing ridiculous rules & requirements. I don't know that Strong fits this category - maybe the disciplined players indeed had it coming. But I can't just have a knee-jerk response that says "Players bad. Coach good. End of story."

If it offends you that in the absence of detailed information I allow for the possibility that some of the fault for the upheaval may lie with the coach, well, I can't do anything about that. (I also wonder about the dearth of details.)

I expect that as time goes on, more information will surface, and we'll find out what's really going on. Until then, I'm not going to condemn or absolve either the disciplined players or the coach. (The arrested players? They'll have their day in court.)

One final thought: If Strong's reported "not using guns" injunction only pertains to criminal acts (along with not stealing and not using drugs) . . . it makes me wonder why he didn't just say "Don't commit crimes."

You are taking my comments way too personal.

Me offended, no. Am I giving the coach the benefit of the doubt, yes. I did notice some automatically lean towards him trying to impose his "Au-Thor-I-Tay" when I believe he is trying to eliminate some of the bad element that causes some to refer to UT as "Thug U". He is under tremendous pressure to WIN and WIN NOW. I don't think he is there to just push his weight around.

I'm done discussing this until I see evidence he is overstretching his "Au-Thor-I-Tay".

I just received an email from an insurance sales consultant, Randy Schwantz, that had a link to his a video he produced using Charlie Strong's "core values" as an example. You may find it of interest if you can overlook his OK Sooner shirt.

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HankB wrote:

mojo84 wrote: . . . I'm interested where the no guns at all including hunting and such came from. Is it documented somewhere or is it speculation and jumping to conclusions?

If you re-read earlier posts with a little care, you'll see that no conclusion has been drawn, a newspaper article prompted a question that begs an answer.

"Not using guns" can have a different meaning than "Not criminally misusing guns."

And I don't think anyone here excuses criminal acts by student athletes.

I read your comments carefully. You are not the only one that has questions about his no guns policy. I did a little research via google search and found you are not the only one that has questions. Yes, some people are jumping to conclusions and speculating that he is trying to ban the appropriate legal use of guns.

I no evidence of that. My point is that I am going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt until I see something that supports the idea he is trying to ban the legal and appropriateuse of guns.

I also find it curious why you would include this comment as part of your question considering some of the athletes that have been released committed crimes and he said the others have repeatedly broken team rules .

or if the coach just likes to throw his weight around - "Respect My Au-Thor-I-Tay."

I don't think he would kick off some top athletes for no reason other than because he "just likes to throw his weight around - "Respect My Au-Thor-I-Tay."

And here's an article that probably illustrates what he means by no guns.

I think in this light, his rule is reasonable. I'm interested where the no guns at all including hunting and such came from. Is it documented somewhere or is it speculation and jumping to conclusions?

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Dyer left Auburn after missing the 2011 Chick-fil-A Bowl due to a failed drug test. He testified last year that a gun belonging to him was used by four former Auburn teammates in a 2011 robbery, and he was later dismissed by Malzahn at Arkansas State without having played a game there after he was found with a weapon during a traffic stop.

He has since attended classes at Arkansas Baptist College, and has two years of eligibility remaining.

Dyer told ESPN last month that he has given up synthetic marijuana and no longer carries a weapon. "I'm not the same person I was," he said. "I've changed. I've grown up."

How about a link to the article to which you are referring. Considering the athletes live on campus and they aren't allowed to have guns on campus, I hope he is just enforcing the rules. I don't think we have enough info to know what his complete thoughts are regarding guns. I also give the guy credit for cleaning up the program and believe he is doing the right thing. Mack had lost control of the program and wasn't able to instill the necessary discipline and accountability.

I say give the guy a chance and give him the benefit of the doubt. More info and context would be beneficial.

Based on this article, I suspect the actions he's taken have been justified. http://blog.mysanantonio.com/longhorns/ ... 25599101=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;