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- Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:37 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: buying guns for someone else
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Re: buying guns for someone else
But note that scotus has ruled is it still just a batfe regulation?
- Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:37 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: buying guns for someone else
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Re: buying guns for someone else
Now it is. Correct?EEllis wrote:The thing of it is that it wasn't really law, it was a policy the BATFE adopted.goose wrote:Dang it. That was far too simple. :-) Now I get how the question of being material was material. Thank you, sir.EEllis wrote:The argument was that since his Uncle could of bought the gun it may have been a lie but it doesn't matter, or wasn't material. to the lawfulness of the sale. Basically a lie is illegal if it affects whether or not the sale would be legal.goose wrote:
Like some others I'm still just trying to get my brain around why this was a SCOTUS case. So, was the judgement on whether or not a purchase for a third party is lawful (material to the lawfulness of the sale)? Whether the form/question/paperwork is a good or a bad seems like a seperate issue, it still appearss like he lied on it. I have more reading to do.
I'm still a little surprised that this went to the Supreme Court but I assume it was unsettled law. Having already made a plug for the NRA, I am now going to wonder why they made this one of their cases. It may be cliche' but telling grandpa that you only lied to make life easier and no one was hurt, didn't fly far when I was a kid. Seems like we could have picked a better fight. If the check was cut ahead of time...........if nothing else I think Abramski is paying a bit of the stupid tax. The 10% discount probably wasn't worth it long term.
- Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:41 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: buying guns for someone else
- Replies: 68
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Re: buying guns for someone else
cb1000rider wrote:That's the straw purchase distinction, absolutely.
There is no "gift" option on Form 4473.
I recommend you read the instructions for question 11a of the 4473.
https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/downloa ... 4473-1.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Purchasing a firearm as a "gift" is perfectly legal as long as it is a gift. It's explained in the instructions.
- Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:36 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: buying guns for someone else
- Replies: 68
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Re: buying guns for someone else
I think there is a distinct difference between buying a gun for someone and buying a gun on someone else's behalf with their money or being reimbursed by them.