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by JALLEN
Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:21 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Uh-oh!
Replies: 30
Views: 5704

Re: Uh-oh!

TexasRifleman wrote:
JALLEN wrote:I guess if it can't be found on Google, it never happened. Everything that has ever happened now is found on Google, true and complete, so if you don't find it, don't worry about it.
Given the anti gun stance of the media in this country, which do you think more likely:

1) Gun carriers have their guns taken often and the media fails to report it

or

2) It simply doesn't happen

You seem to be desperate to believe #1, so go right ahead but it seems a bit far fetched.
It's not a matter of desperation, as I have very little confidence in the media, to get things accurately or at all. After all, as Mark Twain observed, "a man who doesn't read the newspapers is uninformed. The man who does read the newspapers is misinformed."

What might my purpose have been in posting this? To frighten OCers into giving it up? To alert my fellow carriers to the possibilities, so they can take steps to deal with it? To raise my post count, as whoever starts the most threads gets free breakfasts for a year? What might be statistically significant?

Last night at the Alamodome, TCU had less than a 1% of winning in the third quarter when the score was 31-0, according to ESPN. But they did.

67.3% of statistics are misleading, and the rest flat wrong.
by JALLEN
Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:02 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Uh-oh!
Replies: 30
Views: 5704

Re: Uh-oh!

I guess if it can't be found on Google, it never happened. Everything that has ever happened now is found on Google, true and complete, so if you don't find it, don't worry about it.

Anyone smart enough to evaluate "statistical significance" probably has all this on a spread sheet and can proceed through life without a care in the world.

Ever heard of Long Term Capital Management? A group of experienced investment geniuses, including 3 Nobel Laureates, burned through about $5 billion in less than 6 months relying on statistics assuring them that the events that took them out would not occur in the life of the universe times 7.

Lightning and physical phenomena you can depend on. Humans you cannot.
by JALLEN
Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:19 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Uh-oh!
Replies: 30
Views: 5704

Re: Uh-oh!

Jason73 wrote:
JALLEN wrote:
Jason73 wrote:
cheezit wrote:Oct 2014, its a little out of date.
Not to mention this happened in Oregon, not in Texas.
And the difference it makes is what, exactly?
The difference I believe it makes is that, upon first reading your post, my initial impression was that this was somehow related to Open Carry going into effect in the state of Texas, and that this was a relevant story. Upon reading further, and learning that not only is this story over a year old, but also from another state, I am left to question the relevance of this story as it pertains to open carry here. Had a Texan been relieved of their weapon on the first day of open carry, that would have been news worthy IMO, whereas this is not.
So you think a robber will rob an open carrier in Oregon, but Texas robbers will not be so uncouth? I grant you that Texas carriers are bigger, taller, smarter, sometimes richer, and better looking than Oregon carriers, but I have no such impressions of robbers in the respective places.

It might pay to be aware of the possibilities and prepared to minimize them.
by JALLEN
Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:28 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Uh-oh!
Replies: 30
Views: 5704

Re: Uh-oh!

Jason73 wrote:
cheezit wrote:Oct 2014, its a little out of date.
Not to mention this happened in Oregon, not in Texas.
And the difference it makes is what, exactly?
by JALLEN
Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:20 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Uh-oh!
Replies: 30
Views: 5704

Re: Uh-oh!

cbr6864r wrote:OC or CC it dosent matter people are robbed everyday for no reason at all.....pair of jordans...winning lottery ticket...car...phone....watch you name it.
And your point is?

We are embarking on what for most of us is a new experience, carrying a pistol openly. It seems rational to consider the risk that a miscreant might see you with your pistol and decide he wants it bad enough to rob you and take it, whereas before, he wouldn't be aware that you had a pistol.

So far, the responses have been:

1). Well, it may have happened, but it is very rare, so we don't need to worry about it.

2). Well, it may have happened, but it was a long time ago, so we don't need to worry about it .

3). Well, it happens but people are robbed every day of all sorts of belongings, so we don't need to worry about it.

4). Well, it might happen, but most guns are stolen in burglaries not from carriers, so we don't need to worry about it.

With all these scenarios one need not worry about, maybe we don't need to carry at all. Jeepers.
by JALLEN
Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:36 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Uh-oh!
Replies: 30
Views: 5704

Re: Uh-oh!

Right2Carry wrote:much ado over nothing. I am sure concealed carriers have also been robbed of their firearms as well. My guess is you have a better chance of being struck by lightning then being robbed of your firearm CCing or OCing. We know criminals pick weak targets and IMHO a criminal has a better chance for success going for someone who appears not to be carrying than someone who is OCing.

Why risk attacking an armed individual when easier prey is available?

Criminals use stolen guns mostly from burglaries of some sort, not guns taken off individuals.
This makes no sense.

How do you know to rob a gun from a concealed carrier?
by JALLEN
Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:31 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Uh-oh!
Replies: 30
Views: 5704

Re: Uh-oh!

jmra wrote:
JALLEN wrote:
jmra wrote:Any links to other more recent events similar to this one? This happened over a year ago and seems to be somewhat of an isolated event. Of course that may be due to OC being so rare in the first place.
I don't plan to OC as a rule but I have friends who plan to do so and would like to forward as much info as possible to at least encourage them to keep their guard up.
What difference does it make that it ocurred over a year ago, or last week, or 5 years ago?

OC has been practiced in other states for years. Might we learn from their experience?
Sure. I was just looking for more examples so that it wouldn't simply be dismissed as an isolated event. I believe that the issue addressed in the story is a real concern which was why I was asking if anyone had information about other occurrences I could forward to my friends.
http://bearingarms.com/felon-attacks-op ... n-walmart/
A 32-year-old man who was shopping with at least three children at a Yakima Wal-Mart was the victim of an unprovoked assault when a stranger picked up a metal tee-ball bat and struck him, according to Yakima police.

The victim was not injured, but he did have a concealed weapons permit, which he immediately put to use, police said.

A store security officer reported hearing a man in the sporting goods department yelling “Get on the ground!” and found one man pointing a pistol at another, who was lying on the floor.

Police arrived a short time later and arrested the 30-year-old suspect, who remains in Yakima County jail in lieu of $30,000 bail set Monday.

That’s part of the story, but definitely not all of it, or even the most important part. As is so often the case, the real story emerged in the comments to the article, where Brad Walker, who self-identified as the father of the victim, explained that the criminal’s apparent goal was to steal his son’s openly carried Sig Sauer pistol.
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It can happen both ways, this shows.
by JALLEN
Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:12 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Uh-oh!
Replies: 30
Views: 5704

Re: Uh-oh!

jmra wrote:Any links to other more recent events similar to this one? This happened over a year ago and seems to be somewhat of an isolated event. Of course that may be due to OC being so rare in the first place.
I don't plan to OC as a rule but I have friends who plan to do so and would like to forward as much info as possible to at least encourage them to keep their guard up.
What difference does it make that it ocurred over a year ago, or last week, or 5 years ago?

OC has been practiced in other states for years. Might we learn from their experience?
by JALLEN
Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:08 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Uh-oh!
Replies: 30
Views: 5704

Re: Uh-oh!

by JALLEN
Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:27 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Uh-oh!
Replies: 30
Views: 5704

Re: Uh-oh!

cbr6864r wrote:Ill believe it when I see a police report. That being said people are walking around with $700+ phones on their hip everyday with no care. If this is a true story the guy is an idiot and shouldnt carry a sharp stick. First a 22 come on then he buys it that day and carries an untested firearm?

Use common sense I saw a guy yesterday carrying what looked like a Kimber in a leather pancake holster behind his hip cocked and locked. Wouldnt take much to walk up behind him and take it from him. Use some type of retention and carry on side so firearm can be protected with your arm
I have no experience as an armed robber, I freely admit, but I would think a stolen loaded pistol is a lot more appealing, and useful, than a swiped phone, which can be traced, disabled, etc.

Your retention system won't matter much when the robber puts a gun in your ribs and demands your gun. Or will you be like Jack Benny, and think about it?
by JALLEN
Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:33 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Uh-oh!
Replies: 30
Views: 5704

Uh-oh!

http://bearingarms.com/ill-taking-open- ... -gunpoint/
A man practicing his open carry right was robbed of the gun he was openly carrying.

William Coleman III was robbed of his Walter- brand P22 just after 2:00 a.m. October 4 in Gresham by a young man who asked him for it — and flashed his own weapon as persuasion.

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There have been others as well.

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