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by JALLEN
Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:39 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: "We're building a domestic army..."
Replies: 63
Views: 7286

Re: "We're building a domestic army..."

EEllis wrote:Since the topic seems to be going one way only let me re-post a statement by a LEO on this subject. While this doesn't indicate that the Dept needs an armored vehicle it does address some claims about the "militarization" issue and makes some good points.
Some have asserted that there are black swans, and they see evidence of them. You have responded, in essence, by claiming that not to worry, all swans are white, and have always been white.

The trouble is that no matter how many white swans are observed, it does not prove that all swans are white, while observing one black swan disproves the assertion.

To continue, while it may be true that some very large police departments had some perhaps non-traditional equipment, a long time ago, that does not establish that the militarization of police, by means of DHS handing out heavy military gear to local PDs, is not occurring.

DHS buying up all the ammo, funding armored vehicles for local PDs, the increasingly common deployment of military style assault raids to serve warrants when simpler methods are not only safer but simpler, the growing attitude that it is important that the officers go home at the end of the shift, but if a few innocent civilians get shot up at the wrong house etc. well, these things happen, are disquieting to ordinary citizens and becoming more so.
by JALLEN
Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:14 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: "We're building a domestic army..."
Replies: 63
Views: 7286

Re: "We're building a domestic army..."

It's a lot cheaper, and loads more effective, to go back to "One riot, one Ranger." Probably safer for all concerned, too.
by JALLEN
Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:43 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: "We're building a domestic army..."
Replies: 63
Views: 7286

Re: "We're building a domestic army..."

Abraham wrote:What's the chief's rationale?
The Chief in the next town already has one, with the budget for operating it, maintaining it, training ops, two week sessions with Feds in Boca Raton at seminars and intel sessions, the adoring glances of fashionable fellow officers of the female persuasion, and bragging rights at the state COP Assoc. conventions.

IOW, it's cool!
by JALLEN
Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:22 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: "We're building a domestic army..."
Replies: 63
Views: 7286

Re: "We're building a domestic army..."

Back to our topic:

Here's the story in a local paper. Looks like they stopped the chief from buying it.
Concord Stops Its Police Chief From Buying a Ridiculous Military Vehicle http://www.theatlanticcities.com/techno ... icle/6544/

Residents of Concord, New Hampshire, accomplished a rare feat earlier this week when they prevented their police chief, if only temporarily, from buying a BearCat.

What's a BearCat, you say? Lenco Armored Vehicles says its best selling truck can "be used as a S.W.A.T. or Military Counter Attack and Rescue Vehicle and is often used in hostile Urban Environments or as a Patrol/Reaction Vehicle on a Military Base." It holds up to 10 people, is cheap to maintain, and can be equipped with the "Mechanical Rotating Turret with Cupola (Tub) and Weapon Ready Mounting System, suitable for the M60, 240B and Mark 19 weapons system."

Protestors held signs that read, "More Mayberry less Fallujah" and "Thanks but no tanks."

In plain English, the BearCat can drive through a hail of bullets, carry a team of soldiers, and be topped — like an ice cream sundae from hell — with either a machine gun or a grenade launcher. It is basically the perfect vehicle for an urban war zone. Concord, New Hampshire, with its population of around 42,600 and a violent crime rate of 227 per 100,000 people, is of course not an urban war zone.

Then again, no town in the United States should theoretically require such weapons, yet cities of every size have them thanks to the Pentagon's congressionally approved "1033 Program." Begun in 1994, the program allows the Department of Defense to donate weapons, vehicles, and equipment to local police departments, regardless of whether they need them (or know how to appropriately use them).

Last year, Concord Police Chief John Duval decided he wanted what other cities have. In Concord's grant application to the Department of Homeland Security, obtained by the New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union, Duval and the city practically had to make up a threat, claiming that while New Hampshire has "not been victimized from a mass casualty event from an international terrorism strike however on the domestic front, the threat is real and here. Groups such as the Sovereign Citizens, Free Staters and Occupy New Hampshire are active and present daily challenges." After the grant application was unearthed by the NHCLU, Duval "said he does not see the groups as domestic terrorists and admitted that the section of the application was poorly worded."

But that wasn't enough. On Monday night, protestors flooded the Concord City Council meeting, both to object to Duval's characterization of Occupy New Hampshire and the Free State Project, and to let lawmakers know they don't want a BearCat in their city. According to the Concord Monitor, protestors held signs that read, "More Mayberry less Fallujah" and "Thanks but no tanks." With 150 protestors squeezed inside the meeting, and others protesting peacefully outside, the council agreed to table its vote.

"It requires much more debate than we have time for tonight," the Monitor reported Councilor Dan St. Hilaire as saying. The city council and its protesters will revisit the BearCat question on Sept. 9.
by JALLEN
Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:41 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: "We're building a domestic army..."
Replies: 63
Views: 7286

Re: "We're building a domestic army..."

Dave2 wrote:
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Can someone embed this? I give up. The scheme for embedding youtube on this forum is impossibly complex, unusable unless you have the instructions taped to your knee, or your grandmother tells you.
You can't embed videos that don't start at the beginning.
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Who knew? It can be done on other forums. Perhaps a revision would be in order.

I really wish this was cleaned up. Embedding a video is very, very frustrating here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y4zsgym ... e=youtu.be
by JALLEN
Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:22 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: "We're building a domestic army..."
Replies: 63
Views: 7286

"We're building a domestic army..."

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Can someone embed this? I give up. The scheme for embedding youtube on this forum is impossibly complex, unusable unless you have the instructions taped to your knee, or your grandmother tells you.

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