A conversation that seems to be absent about isis

[powerboatr]

So
our great land has not had an attack by the enemy on the HOMELAND since the late 1700's , Germany tried in WWII but failed thankfully.
Pearl harbor was not on the homeland as HI was not officially a state.

ok WHEN ISIS attacks our home land, and i predict before the next election of president, what is our rights as citizens when either marshall law is imposed or we see soldiers taking on isis on our streets or in our cities?


will our government insist we not protect ourselves or take out the enemy?
isn't our duty as Americans to protect our homeland from aggressors?
if we neutralize a threat, or interrupt an enemies activities, will the big G come a calling to detain us, that stand up and defend our community?

i live in a pretty rural area and are most likely not a potential isis threat. But Houston is a potential targets. Houston s ship channel in particular.
Jacksonville Florida ship channel ,as is Seattle and los angeles just to mention a few moderate soft targets.
If we have some threat patrolling with a black ISIS flag, shouldn't we neutralize it?

but houston is in our backyard. Do we as Americans have any protection from neutralizing enemy combatants in uniform or not?

[philip964]

Homeland was effectively attacked by citizens from the country of Saudi Arabia, allied with the Sunni Muslim extremist group Al Quieda on September 11, 2001.

[mr surveyor]

and there was that little skirmish referred to as the War of 1812 .....

and if it counts, the Japanese subs off the coast of California in WWII ....

and.....


As to "what to do if it happens"........ shoot, shovel, shut-up ... at least until you have the appropriate back-up

jmo


jd

[powerboatr]

and there was that little skirmish referred to as the War of 1812 .....

and if it counts, the Japanese subs off the coast of California in WWII ....

and.....


As to "what to do if it happens"........ shoot, shovel, shut-up ... at least until you have the appropriate back-up

jmo


jd

i failed to mention 9/11 it was a homeland attack, but we had no retaliatory action within the homeland, my mistake, it was a terrible day for me and i have blocked it.
1812...wellllllll yep forgot
japan and germans tried sub action in WWII
i like shoot, shovel and forget
or the allied waste dumpster behind the 7/11

[philip964]

Do we as Americans have any protection from neutralizing enemy combatants in uniform or not?

Last the anti gun crowd counted there were 300 million guns in America. Now if the federal government would just stop raising the price of ammunition, we might even have some cartridges to go with those guns.

[Blindref757]

but houston is in our backyard. Do we as Americans have any protection from neutralizing enemy combatants in uniform or not?

After the military gets done with Jade Helm 15, they will be prepared!

[TexasGal]

I saw a news story the other night where a retired 27 year veteran (who is a highly decorated green beret) was interviewed about Jade Helm 2015. His take on it was the military does not conduct a training exercise on this scale and at this expense without a specific reason. It's not just for grins and in his opinion is a preparation for some event in the Southern US that calls for marshal law. The way it's been done and the lack of transparency did not ease his mind either. The media will be kept out for the most part. I am not sure what to think about it, but when a green beret (who has served with great distinction for decades) does not like it, I pay attention.

[Beiruty]

Marshall laws would never happen in US as far as I can see. Federal military has no business on States soil. This is why we have states National Guards. Extreme right views on the Federal government is absurd. ISIS would be defeated and they have no capacity to mount any real threat on the homeland.

[oljames3]

So
our great land has not had an attack by the enemy on the HOMELAND since the late 1700's , Germany tried in WWII but failed thankfully.
Pearl harbor was not on the homeland as HI was not officially a state. ....

Japanese balloon bombs killed 6 in Oregon during WWII. I'd call that an attack on the homeland.

The initial premise of this post is so flawed that I stopped reading. Several or the responses brought out the other major errors.

[SSwt00SS]

Marshall laws would never happen in US as far as I can see. Federal military has no business on States soil. This is why we have states National Guards. Extreme right views on the Federal government is absurd. ISIS would be defeated and they have no capacity to mount any real threat on the homeland.

Martial Law, in fact, has been implemented in the US, as recent as the Boston Marathon Bombing. Granted, this was a city-wide event to the City of Boston, but none the less disturbing. Same can be said about it being implemented back in 2005 after Hurricane Katrina. Again limited to city wide only area.

If we are talking Martial Law for the lower 48-states, then I would agree, I don't see how it would hold long term.

[jmra]

Marshall laws would never happen in US as far as I can see. Federal military has no business on States soil. This is why we have states National Guards. Extreme right views on the Federal government is absurd. ISIS would be defeated and they have no capacity to mount any real threat on the homeland.

Martial Law, in fact, has been implemented in the US, as recent as the Boston Marathon Bombing. Granted, this was a city-wide event to the City of Boston, but none the less disturbing. Same can be said about it being implemented back in 2005 after Hurricane Katrina. Again limited to city wide only area.

If we are talking Martial Law for the lower 48-states, then I would agree, I don't see how it would hold long term.

Can you provide links supporting the claim of implementation of Martial Law in Boston or New Orleans? At any time did the military act as the police, the court, and the legislature? (This is the definition of Martial Law). From what I can see in both instances local and federal officers (FBI) were in charge of operations and received support from the National Guard. At no time did the military assume control/authority over local authorities or Federal agents. I know this was the case in NOLA as it was my home for 30 years and I had direct contact with family members and LEO during and immediately after Katrina.
In fact, one of the delays in getting relief into NOLA was the resistance on the part of the Dem governor to accept relief aid from a Rep president as federal law prevented the president from dispatching military troups as part of a humanitarian effort without an official request from the governor.
This website lists the different times ML has been declared on a National, Regional, and State level. Neither of the examples you listed are included in the list.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictiona ... artial+law

[TVGuy]

ok WHEN ISIS attacks our home land, and i predict before the next election of president, what is our rights as citizens when either marshall law is imposed or we see soldiers taking on isis on our streets or in our cities?

This is a common misconception by many. They already have.

Oklahoma beheading, Nidal Hasan, Boston bombing, Garland shootout, many more.

They may not be what some consider traditional "attacks on the homeland", but they are already here and already have. Armed conflict moving forward is going to look different than it did in the past.

[TexasGal]

I submit we have never had any true marshal law because we have never had a disaster so widespread that regional law enforcement broke down and the national guard was insufficient to contain it. If the electric grid was destroyed by an EMP, experts have already recently testified before congress an estimated 9 out of 10 Americans would die by various means. The grid is not protected from such an event. Is this just silly tin foil hat? Probably, but the guy testifying before congress didn't think so and Jade Helm is not imaginary. At least the military is trying to be prepared for whatever they think is a possibility. Isis attacks aren't likely to come in the form of an invading army but hit and run or suicide attacks by individuals or small groups who already live here or can enter the country quickly unobserved. Could a small group create such a widespread disaster the military had to step in to help keep order? I have no expertise to know one way or the other so I'm not losing any sleep over it until something more concrete comes along. In any case, we are more likely to need guns for self protection from other Americans than foreign ISIS fighters.

[mr surveyor]

....... In any case, we are more likely to need guns for self protection from other Americans than foreign ISIS fighters.

This!

jd

[jimlongley]

There have been numerous instances of the imposition of martial law in the US, but only Lincoln's (09/15/1863) was nationwide, all the others were local impositions due to emergencies (Katrina, Chicago Fire), or riot or rebellion (Colorado Coalfield 1914, Tulsa race riot 1921), and of course Hawaii from December 7, 1941 to October 24, 1944.

I was a TSA agent assigned to go to NOLA after Katrina and we were briefed that Ray Nagin, then Mayor of NOLA, had declared martial law in the city on 08/31/2005 and we could expect push back from the citizens we would be summarily disarming, including the removal of previously legal firearms from checked baggage. We were told that due to martial law, all possession of firearms in NOLA had been outlawed, including in the checked bags of people leaving.

Ultimately I did not go, so I have no eye witness testimony to present, someone at a higher level decided that only about half the agents assigned were actually needed, which decision eventually placed an undue burden on those that did go. Folks who came back showed some very interesting pictures of what was going on at MSY, including 55 gallon drums full of discarded firearms, or maybe a better term would be confiscated. After several people got called up before higher management within TSA, the showing of those pictures suddenly stopped.