German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???

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Sim597 wrote:USA gave Germans and Japanese what is basically a 2nd bill of rights (we were to have also, except FDR died before implementing) where it's a law they have medical insurance for all, and about five more things we don't have on our own bill of rights . I wish I could remember more, but it would have been a good thing had we given ourselves what we gave our enemies.
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Trial coming to a close: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/12/ve ... ore-109748" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ETA: I don't know that Kaarma is innocent, but: The prosecutor is quoted as calling an 18 year old college student, who was apparently considered mature enough to go study on his own in another country, a "child." I have to say in my eyes it greatly diminishes her credibility and integrity. She's telling a whopper to get a conviction, which would make me suspect the validity of the rest of her case.
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I have no idea what Montana law is on self-defense or defense of property, nor can I tell what actually happened. I'm concerned about Jaguar's information about Missoula being a liberal college town, because it could well be that the jury won't follow Montana law whatever it may be.

I don't buy the "baiting" or "hunting" argument, nor to I ascribe to the theory that the homeowners should have better protected their personal property. My garage door is often open during the day and sometimes later into the evening. On very rare occasions, I wake to find the garage door open and I'm guessing that it's because someone hit a door opener that happened to be on the same roaming code. These facts don't change Texas law and I would be disappointed if it changes Montana law. Theft at night and criminal mischief at night justify the use of deadly force in Texas and the inquiry should stop there.

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Here's a story about the case that shows why baiting was claimed - http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/12/tr ... -intruder/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And the homeowner was found guilty - http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/12/gu ... convicted/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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EEllis wrote:I don't get it. We invaded a country and took their Pres. away in chains for violations of US law but the idea that German law allows it to prosecute a crime against their citizens that happen out of the county is some big deal? Just stay out of Germany after killing a German and move on. Their courts can do whatever they want it has no bearing on this case or what the US courts do.
I would suspect he would not be able to travel out side the US for the rest of his life.

Germany would issue an arrest warrant, just about any country would be obligated to arrest him on discovery.
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Charles L. Cotton wrote:Crime is a risky business, even when committed by nice college kids.
It should be risky for the criminals but there are birds of a feather in most legislatures who don't agree.
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philip964 wrote:
EEllis wrote:I don't get it. We invaded a country and took their Pres. away in chains for violations of US law but the idea that German law allows it to prosecute a crime against their citizens that happen out of the county is some big deal? Just stay out of Germany after killing a German and move on. Their courts can do whatever they want it has no bearing on this case or what the US courts do.
I would suspect he would not be able to travel out side the US for the rest of his life.

Germany would issue an arrest warrant, just about any country would be obligated to arrest him on discovery.
I doubt it's that simple but since he will be in jail here it's a moot point.

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Well that's what happens when you run your mouth. If you plan on shooting someone don't tell everyone you know about it.
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EEllis wrote:Well that's what happens when you run your mouth. If you plan on shooting someone don't tell everyone you know about it.
It's the three S's. Shoot, Shovel, and Shutup. It the last one that causes the most problems. "rlol"
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EEllis wrote:Well that's what happens when you run your mouth. If you plan on shooting someone don't tell everyone you know about it.
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Beat 'Ya! :biggrinjester:
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There are to many people agreeing with me. Am I on the right forum?
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EEllis wrote:There are to many people agreeing with me. Am I on the right forum?
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anygunanywhere wrote:
EEllis wrote:There are to many people agreeing with me. Am I on the right forum?
Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.
And a stopped clock is right twice a day!

(Well, unless its a 24-hour clock, in which case it's right once a day.)
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He told people he was planning on shooting someone.........well that was stupid.

As for the bit about a second bill of rights. We have a procedure to amend the constitution.....if we want to have that stuff, we can.
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