Ebola outbreak in Africa

[KD5NRH]

And, you know, if they didn't have the proper protective gear, they sure as heck weren't training with the proper protective gear, either. Presumably, the gear could have been shipped overnight (or couriered even faster). But they still wouldn't know what to do with it.

They should have a basic idea; wear the outfit, and decon it before you take it off. 90% of that process is common sense, and the rest they could learn from any of the HAZMAT-handling chemical companies all around DFW that use the same gear, albeit for different environments...or from the Frisco Fire Department, which obviously had better stuff on hand than Presbyterian was putting on their nurses.

I'm not going to call and ask because I'm sure they're swamped now, but I'd bet ILC normally keeps a stock of Chemturion suits in each size, and having worked for an oilfield company, I know that it's absolutely possible and fairly common to throw enough money at any particular problem to have any in-stock part anywhere in the world at just about two or three hours behind minimum flight time of the fastest GA aircraft capable of lifting it, based within 50 miles of its point of origin. There are people who make a pretty good living making exactly that happen, and they can carry PPE just as easily as pump parts.

So, one day of minimal contact using hooded Tyvek "bunny suits" with normal NBC full face respirators and taped on gloves, and then you have whatever gear you're willing to pay for, regardless of where it was when you started.

[anygunanywhere]

CDC Director worried about African country's economies.

US Citizens? Not so much.

He works for us. He seems to have forgotten. He needs to be reminded. So does the failure in chief.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10 ... -response/

[rotor]

If you quarantine people in common areas, what's to keep someone who's clean, but quarantined, from picking up the disease from an infected person in quarantine? If someone came to me and told me that I may have been exposed, so they were going to put me in with a bunch of other people that had also been exposed, I would NOT be a happy camper.

Quarantine does not mean you will be put in a common area with other people. But it does mean that by force if needed you can be detained and held confined for let's say the 21 day period needed to be sure you are not infected. It may be necessary to quarantine exposed people and not just this stupid self monitoring. The government will have to work very fast on this. Illness like this spreads in a geometric progression and because the incubation period is so long before symptoms show it can easily come to the point where government agencies are completely overwhelmed. Right now it appears they just don't know what they are doing. It's one thing to not scare the American public but I believe they should be scared.

Your earlier statement, "This may involve gated quarantine areas." implied (at least to me) that you were talking about common quarantine areas.

There are patients with drug resistant TB that are kept essentially in jail cells because they will not keep from exposing others. Quarantine whatever way necessary to protect society at large. Locked up if necessary. Armed guards if necessary. We are not talking about forever, 21 days (they say) is time enough. A disease with a 70 percent mortality needs to be contained.

[The Annoyed Man]

African countries saved OUR sorry butts BY CLOSING THEIR BORDERS!!!!

Associated Press: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ ... 6-14-24-38

AFRICA STEMS EBOLA VIA BORDER CLOSINGS, LUCK
BY TOM ODULA AND LYNSEY CHUTEL
ASSOCIATED PRESS

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) -- Health officials battling the Ebola outbreak that has killed more than 4,500 people in West Africa have managed to limit its spread on the continent to five countries - and two of them appear to have snuffed out the disease.

The developments constitute a modest success in an otherwise bleak situation.

Officials credit tighter border controls, good patient-tracking and other medical practices, and just plain luck with keeping Ebola confined mostly to Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea since the outbreak was first identified nearly seven months ago.

Would it kill us to follow the example of a few 3rd world nations in how to control the spread of disease? It just might kill us if we don't.......but Obama and his administration would rather die....excuse me....would rather WE die than THEY admit they've been wrong all along.

[Keith B]

News report earlier had an interview with a nurse from Texas Presbyterian. Had a photo of one of the nurses treating patient zero and you could clearly see the nurse had their neck area exposed. While it is not airborne, any spittle, mucous, projectile vomit, etc could enter the opening in the suit. It would also be very easy for a person to unconsciously reach up to rub their neck or chin with a contaminated glove. You would think that a hospital would at least have someone instructing the staff on proper usage and monitoring the wearing of the suits and decontamination procedures.

[Excaliber]

It may be time to consider that the failure to protect America by the most basic an obvious means, leaving us completely vulnerable to a massive epidemic of a 70% fatal disease, may be the latest element of a deliberate pattern of action intended to seriously damage our country.

It is consistent with bringing tens of thousands of illegal immigrant children with drug resistant tuberculosis and other communicable diseases across the border, distributing them throughout the country as quickly as possible, and then mandating that they be admitted to the schools without proof of vaccination - the same schools our own kids can't get into without the vaccination records.

It is also consistent with sending 4,000 of our remaining combat exhausted troops into the current epidemic's hot zone with no military related mission, no training and no effective protection. The likely consequence of that is not hard to foresee.

Why else would the head of the CDC expose himself to ridicule and calls for resignation by telling the country that Ebola is hard to catch, every hospital in America is well prepared to handle cases, approve a monitored person with a fever to fly on a commercial airline, and refuse to recommend closing our borders to people from infected areas because that might harm the economies of some African nations? Nobody is innocently that dumb.

There's a pattern here that's hard to miss, and it's consistent with many other actions of this administration that have had the effect of weakening the U.S. economically and militarily.

It's ugly and its implications are stark, but I'm having trouble coming up with an alternate explanation for what we see.

Any help with what I may be missing would be appreciated. I could sleep a lot better if I had a credible alternate explanation for this.

[anygunanywhere]

Dallas lab worker quarantined aboard cruise ship, other passengers stranded aboard. Belize refused to allow any passengers to disembark.

Good luck getting a refund. Hope you enjoyed your vacation. Remember this when you vote in November.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/1 ... -stranded/

[Keith B]

It may be time to consider that the failure to protect America by the most basic an obvious means, leaving us completely vulnerable to a massive epidemic of a 70% fatal disease, may be the latest element of a deliberate pattern of action intended to seriously damage our country.

It is consistent with bringing tens of thousands of illegal immigrant children with drug resistant tuberculosis and other communicable diseases across the border, distributing them throughout the country as quickly as possible, and then mandating that they be admitted to the schools without proof of vaccination - the same schools our own kids can't get into without the vaccination records.

It is also consistent with sending 4,000 of our remaining combat exhausted troops into the current epidemic's hot zone with no military related mission, no training and no effective protection. The likely consequence of that is not hard to foresee.

Why else would the head of the CDC expose himself to ridicule and calls for resignation by telling the country that Ebola is hard to catch, every hospital in America is well prepared to handle cases, approve a monitored person with a fever to fly on a commercial airline, and refuse to recommend closing our borders to people from infected areas because that might harm the economies of some African nations? Nobody is innocently that dumb.

There's a pattern here that's hard to miss, and it's consistent with many other actions of this administration that have had the effect of weakening the U.S. economically and militarily.

It's ugly and its implications are stark, but I'm having trouble coming up with an alternate explanation for what we see.

Any help with what I may be missing would be appreciated. I could sleep a lot better if I had a credible alternate explanation for this.

I just think it is just total incompetence in play. I have seen a lot of this in corporate America. The Peter Principle is very much in effect and the upper management promotes those below to their level of incompetence. This is because the upper manager does not want those below to be smarter or better than they are and doesn't want them to challenge the upper managers decisions. They have a fear the more intelligent lower manager will expose them for the incompetent ninny they are and end up taking their job, so they won't promote that one, they take the 'yes man'. This type of organization building tends to create an environment where only the idiots exist and the structure eventually collapses taking other things with it. I saw that happen a couple of years ago when a new upper level officer came into a team and the smart managers all starting bailing as they could see the ship was sinking and the Captain was not going to let anyone save it.

I believe that is what we have in place today, a President who is inept and puts his cronies or 'yes men' in positions of power where they are not equipped to truly handle the job. If anyone challenges him, he squelches them, then he makes it so unbearable they quit. If they are smart they bail out before the ship goes down.

I think we are all riding that sinking ship and the Captain is the one drilling more holes in the hull while telling everyone to just have another drink and enjoy the show.

[sjfcontrol]

Dallas lab worker quarantined aboard cruise ship, other passengers stranded aboard. Belize refused to allow any passengers to disembark.

Good luck getting a refund. Hope you enjoyed your vacation. Remember this when you vote in November.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/1 ... -stranded/

Stranded on a cruise ship -- Oh, the Horrors! Hope they don't run out of caviar!

[sjfcontrol]

Keith -- Sometimes Hanlon's razor is wrong.

[philip964]

Keith -- Sometimes Hanlon's razor is wrong.

I learn so much here. Thank you!

[Keith B]

Keith -- Sometimes Hanlon's razor is wrong.

I learn so much here. Thank you!

Still think it is more stupidity than malice.

[The Annoyed Man]

It may be time to consider that the failure to protect America by the most basic an obvious means, leaving us completely vulnerable to a massive epidemic of a 70% fatal disease, may be the latest element of a deliberate pattern of action intended to seriously damage our country.

It is consistent with bringing tens of thousands of illegal immigrant children with drug resistant tuberculosis and other communicable diseases across the border, distributing them throughout the country as quickly as possible, and then mandating that they be admitted to the schools without proof of vaccination - the same schools our own kids can't get into without the vaccination records.

It is also consistent with sending 4,000 of our remaining combat exhausted troops into the current epidemic's hot zone with no military related mission, no training and no effective protection. The likely consequence of that is not hard to foresee.

Why else would the head of the CDC expose himself to ridicule and calls for resignation by telling the country that Ebola is hard to catch, every hospital in America is well prepared to handle cases, approve a monitored person with a fever to fly on a commercial airline, and refuse to recommend closing our borders to people from infected areas because that might harm the economies of some African nations? Nobody is innocently that dumb.

There's a pattern here that's NOT hard to miss, and it's consistent with many other actions of this administration that have had the effect of weakening the U.S. economically and militarily.

It's ugly and its implications are stark, but I'm having trouble coming up with an alternate explanation for what we see.

Any help with what I may be missing would be appreciated. I could sleep a lot better if I had a credible alternate explanation for this.

Fixed it for you.....

....and you are absolutely right. They would rather kill all of us than admit that their policies are bankrupt......

....and thanks to that, we are "this" much closer to a revolution....

I actually hate their guts.

[anygunanywhere]

Meet the new Ebola Czar.

We knew this was coming. A political hack lawyer.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-1 ... ebola-czar

[The Annoyed Man]

Dallas lab worker quarantined aboard cruise ship, other passengers stranded aboard. Belize refused to allow any passengers to disembark.

Good luck getting a refund. Hope you enjoyed your vacation. Remember this when you vote in November.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/1 ... -stranded/

Stranded on a cruise ship -- Oh, the Horrors! Hope they don't run out of caviar!

Are you kidding me? That's an Ebola breeding ground!

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/aboard- ... uise-ship/