Why all the ammo purchases

[PArrow]

http://www.infowars.com/u-s-postal-serv ... -purchase/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Is there anyone here connected with the Post office that can tell me who there is carrying a gun?? I know that a one time postal inspectors and agents did but I thought the FBI took over those duties. And why Hollow Points? And the other departments that are buying ammo; National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Department of Education, Social Security Admin non of this are law enforcement agencies..


I didn't think I was a conspiracy nut but I'm being directed that way.

[jbarn]

It is for their law enforcement agents. They buy hollow points for the same reason you carry them. They work best. It is neither odd nor nefarious for them to purchase these.

[Scott in Houston]

I may get flamed but...

Please stop giving credibility to infowars. That site is run by a few credible people and a bunch of wack jobs who just want to stir the pot and draw clicks.

[Laneman]

Here's a more credible url, directly from the Social Security Administration web site. Their RFQ (request for quote) for the ammo.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity ... ce=message" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To the poster who feels this is all routine, why would the Department of Education or the NOAA need ammo?

[Jumping Frog]

Here's a more credible url, directly from the Social Security Administration web site. Their RFQ (request for quote) for the ammo.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity ... ce=message" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To the poster who feels this is all routine, why would the Department of Education or the NOAA need ammo?

The point isn't whether the ammo purchase was a fact or not, the point is Infowars takes an ordinary ammo purchase and tries to spin it as some huge federal conspiracy.

There are well over 125 different federal law enforcement agencies. All of them need to train their armed officers, and they will all train with the same ammo they carry. So 2 agencies purchased ammo. A big yawn.

[Excaliber]

http://www.infowars.com/u-s-postal-serv ... -purchase/


Is there anyone here connected with the Post office that can tell me who there is carrying a gun?? I know that a one time postal inspectors and agents did but I thought the FBI took over those duties. And why Hollow Points? And the other departments that are buying ammo; National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Department of Education, Social Security Admin non of this are law enforcement agencies..


I didn't think I was a conspiracy nut but I'm being directed that way.

USPS has both a large number of armed inspectors and uniformed armed officers in major distribution facilities.

They need to practice, qualify, and have carry ammo too.

[Cedar Park Dad]

http://www.infowars.com/u-s-postal-serv ... -purchase/


Is there anyone here connected with the Post office that can tell me who there is carrying a gun?? I know that a one time postal inspectors and agents did but I thought the FBI took over those duties. And why Hollow Points? And the other departments that are buying ammo; National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Department of Education, Social Security Admin non of this are law enforcement agencies..


I didn't think I was a conspiracy nut but I'm being directed that way.

USPS has both a large number of armed inspectors and uniformed armed officers in major distribution facilities.

They need to practice, qualify, and have carry ammo too.

Indeed, while one can argue an extremely strong case about the duplication of armed officers in the federal state branches for functions that shouldn't have them, ordinary purchases are just that, ordinary.

On the positive I wandered into an Academy to get some shells for a new shotgun and saw actual plinker level 9mms for sale, including what can only be desvcribed as tubs of monarchs for sale. Strangely I didn't see any .30 cal M1 carbine, which I've never seen out of.

[VMI77]

It is for their law enforcement agents. They buy hollow points for the same reason you carry them. They work best. It is neither odd nor nefarious for them to purchase these.

It is when that's all they buy, and so are apparently using more expensive HP ammo for target practice. So, at a minimum, they're wasting money or have some kind of kick-back scheme going.

[jbarn]

Here's a more credible url, directly from the Social Security Administration web site. Their RFQ (request for quote) for the ammo.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity ... ce=message" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To the poster who feels this is all routine, why would the Department of Education or the NOAA need ammo?

Because they employ law enforcement agents.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Poachers and extremists are dangerous

The office of the Inspector General has LE agents assigned to the Department of Education.

[Cedar Park Dad]

It is for their law enforcement agents. They buy hollow points for the same reason you carry them. They work best. It is neither odd nor nefarious for them to purchase these.

It is when that's all they buy, and so are apparently using more expensive HP ammo for target practice. So, at a minimum, they're wasting money or have some kind of kick-back scheme going.

As I occasionally say "nothing's to good for me when someone else is paying for it."

[Keith B]

Here's a more credible url, directly from the Social Security Administration web site. Their RFQ (request for quote) for the ammo.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity ... ce=message" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To the poster who feels this is all routine, why would the Department of Education or the NOAA need ammo?

Because they employ law enforcement agents.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Poachers and extremists are dangerous

The office of the Inspector General has LE agents assigned to the Department of Education.

I thought NOAA needed large amounts of ammo to defend against Sharknadoes and Polar Vortexes.

[SkipB]

It is for their law enforcement agents. They buy hollow points for the same reason you carry them. They work best. It is neither odd nor nefarious for them to purchase these.

It is when that's all they buy, and so are apparently using more expensive HP ammo for target practice. So, at a minimum, they're wasting money or have some kind of kick-back scheme going.

As I occasionally say "nothing's to good for me when someone else is paying for it."

Mainly if its lunch

[jbarn]

Here's a more credible url, directly from the Social Security Administration web site. Their RFQ (request for quote) for the ammo.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity ... ce=message" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To the poster who feels this is all routine, why would the Department of Education or the NOAA need ammo?

Because they employ law enforcement agents.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Poachers and extremists are dangerous

The office of the Inspector General has LE agents assigned to the Department of Education.

I thought NOAA needed large amounts of ammo to defend against Sharknadoes and Polar Vortexes.

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completely off topic, but I caught a bit of the today show a couple of weeks or so ago during the thrust of the polar vortex thing. Apparently Al Roker had been catching some email heat over the sensationalism, and had been chastised for the weather people making things up. He took his 1950's meteorological textbook in and showed the term polar vortex. He was pretty miffed. Lol

[JSThane]

It is for their law enforcement agents. They buy hollow points for the same reason you carry them. They work best. It is neither odd nor nefarious for them to purchase these.

It is when that's all they buy, and so are apparently using more expensive HP ammo for target practice. So, at a minimum, they're wasting money or have some kind of kick-back scheme going.

Speaking as someone who is issued hollowpoint ammunition both for duty use and qualifications, I can provide three possible (probable?) answers for why they do this. First off, it simplifies the supply chain. If you only have to order one kind of ammunition per caliber, then you have less to worry about logistically. Added types means added complexity. This of course does not completely justify it, though.

Second, by using the same kind of ammunition for qualifications as for duty, it allows the officers to rotate their carry ammunition, instead of re-chambering the same round after every qual for years on end. With the .40 S&W, this is fairly important; minor bullet setback in this straight-walled cartridge can cause a fairly significant pressure spike, which is hard on guns at a minimum, and can cause spontaneous and unwanted self-disassembly of the pistol with injuries all around in a worst-case scenario - and odds are, if the only time HP ammo is used is on a goblin, it will be then that the gun pulls a grenade on you. This is probably the most important issue, in my opinion (I've noticed setback after only one rechambering in the .40).

Third, and probably most importantly in policy-makers' eyes, it reduces liability. By qualifying with the same ammunition carried, they can "ensure" each officer knows how his firearm will perform when the ball drops. While the difference in trajectory between a FMJ and a HP is negligible in practice, in theory (and on paper) it can exist. It's minor quibbling, but this is lawyer-repellant. Plus, and even more importantly, by mandating "only duty ammunition" in the pistol even for quals, they can (hopefully) ensure that an officer won't accidentally leave FMJ chambered and light up a goblin with it, resulting in sub-par performance on the goblin (and the very real possibility of over-penetration and accidental perforation of objects and/or people behind the target). By using only duty hollow point ammo for all purposes, they quash any liability of their own (hopefully), and can pin any accidents or missed shots on the officer, while simultaneously protecting the officer against petty lawsuits for using such a "deadly" bullet (it's what we practice with, so it can't be THAT bad!).

Just my $0.03 of opinion, from the perspective of the boot-grunt who shakes his head both at shooting more expensive duty ammo on quals, while recognizing that some doofus co-worker with a badge would be fairly likely to jam WWB FMJ into his gun for duty carry "because it was cheap, and it worked in the movie!"

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P.S. If it makes you feel any better (probably won't, but it's worth a shot, pun intended), there's usually a significant discount for bulk purchases.

[Cedar Park Dad]

The office of the Inspector General has LE agents assigned to the Department of Education.

I thought NOAA needed large amounts of ammo to defend against Sharknadoes and Polar Vortexes.

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Neither rain, nor snow, nor sharknado will keep us from our appointed rounds...