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No wonder why some people dont learn anything from the NVDR part of class.RossA wrote:In my CHL classes, I always warn my students that if I ever catch any of them with one of those badges, I will personally hit them with a baseball bat and take their CHL away!
For me the point is you don't need or desire a badge (or anything else) in order to "step up".LAYGO wrote:Where are we miscommunicating? Let me reiterate:Abraham wrote:Update: Holders of CHLs aren't LEOs.
Nor are they reserve police officers.
Nor are they mandated to step up to the plate (if you will) when things go awry - unless they're personally, immediately threatened or their loved ones or friends are. However , if when they step up and aren't identified as good guys they're subject to being thought of as bad guys - so by all means wear your cape or sash or tiara.
Or, just remember that a CHL isn't more than an O.K. to protect yourself or loved ones. If you go beyond that, good luck...you're not an LEO.
I do not mean to infer that the banner (or badge for that matter) grants me any authority. I just want to make sure I'm not targeted by another armed civilian/undercover.
If I'm going to employ my weapon in what I hope would be within my justified use of lethal force, I want to make sure no one mistakes me for a bad guy.
I will agree that CHL carriers are NOT mandated to step up, but if I'm not mistaken, the mall shooter in the northwest was stopped last year by a CHL carrier who did decide to step up.
Would you start wearing it at that point?jmra wrote:Until DPS starts sending a badge with the plastic, I ain't touching a badge with a 10 foot pole.
Only if it were some kind of requirement. Otherwise, no.Purplehood wrote:Would you start wearing it at that point?jmra wrote:Until DPS starts sending a badge with the plastic, I ain't touching a badge with a 10 foot pole.
Won't happen. Wearing a CHL badge (although stupid) under current law does not constitute impersonating an officer. Now, if the guy wearing the badge represents himself as a cop then he's in trouble.RossA wrote:I'm waiting for the first case where some prosecutor says that wearing one of those badges constitutes impersonation of a peace officer. Will be very interesting to see what happens.
Don't hold your breath. They have a lot better odds prosecuting uniformed security guards.RossA wrote:I'm waiting for the first case where some prosecutor says that wearing one of those badges constitutes impersonation of a peace officer. Will be very interesting to see what happens.
IMO the badge and gun implies one is a peace officer. If one can see the badge then they probably can see the gun. If somebody is running around displaying this "chl" wanna be cop badge they have a serious case of "badge envy". If one wants to run around carrying a badge go to the academy and become a leo. If one goes out an intervenes in a crime while displaying said badge he is looking at a case. I've yet to encounter a CHL badge, but I have dealt with people flashing security badges to imply they are cops. Off duty leo's have been murdered during robbery because the suspect sees the badge.jmra wrote:Won't happen. Wearing a CHL badge (although stupid) under current law does not constitute impersonating an officer. Now, if the guy wearing the badge represents himself as a cop then he's in trouble.RossA wrote:I'm waiting for the first case where some prosecutor says that wearing one of those badges constitutes impersonation of a peace officer. Will be very interesting to see what happens.
They would have a better shot going after these guys that wear shirts with "Police" and "FBI" on the back of them. These are much more common than CHL badges.
jmra wrote:Won't happen. Wearing a CHL badge (although stupid) under current law does not constitute impersonating an officer. Now, if the guy wearing the badge represents himself as a cop then he's in trouble.RossA wrote:I'm waiting for the first case where some prosecutor says that wearing one of those badges constitutes impersonation of a peace officer. Will be very interesting to see what happens.
They would have a better shot going after these guys that wear shirts with "Police" and "FBI" on the back of them. These are much more common than CHL badges.
I think your both wrong! It's to show the LEOs that they can count on you to help when they are short handed!RPBrown wrote:A couple of years ago I went to the Dallas Gun show and there was a guy selling them. He had several people around and they were buying them. He was explaining to them that the badge was to show LEO they were the good guys so they wouldn't get shot. All I could do is walk by shaking my head and say what a bunch of tools they were.
Has anybody posted the Sierra Madre clip yet?jmra wrote:Until DPS starts sending a badge with the plastic, I ain't touching a badge with a 10 foot pole.