Negligent Discharge at Houston Gun show this weekend

[Quick6]

The guy who shot himself needs to be held legally responsible; his injuries should be paid for out of his own pocket, not insurance or anything else.

I agree with you on this point. But... If acts of stupidity weren't covered by insurance, there wouldn't be much of an insurance industry.

If you "forget" to set the parking brake on your vehicle and it rolls downhill and off the road into a ditch, are you going to whip out your wallet and pay to fix it, or call your insurance agent? After all, it was your mistake that caused the damage.

Let's say it's a $50k car and there's a $35k lien on it and it's totalled.

Something to think about...

Having spent 8 years in a previous life in the black hole of insurance claims, one of, if not the most used quotes in the insurance industry is "We insure stupidity". If he has health insurance, his claim will be paid. No questions. He paid for that coverage.

If insurance companies could pick and choose what claims to pay and what claims to deny based on the level of stupidity of the cause of the accident...I shudder to think.

[age_ranger]

I'm just glad he didn't do it near me...............

I've gone to a show and was told no CCW's. So, I wnet to the bathroom, rented a stall and unloaded. Then, I went and got my pistol zipped and went in. The problem was obviously in the persons familiarity with his firearm and his definite lack of a good clearing procedure. Had he checked the weapon correctly, he would probably have all of his hand intact. I hope the round didn't go through his hand and scratch up a nice Beretta or 1911. That would be the real heartbreaker of the whole story!!

[Renegade]

And some folks whine about 30.06 and other signs at guns shows ...

30.06 only applies to folks carrying under CHL law, and then only applies to handguns.

There is no sign that cures stupid.

[Renegade]

This may be a test case.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hea ... 58523.html

The gist of this article is that the shooter may be charged with violating the 30.06 signs posted at the door. I don't believe such signs should be legally valid, since the George R. Brown is a publicly owned facility. The counter argument is that they are because they are being leased by a private party.

I do not believe they are valid even if it is private facility. 30.06 only applies to folks carry gun under CHL law. For example:

Three people enter a Gun Show with concealed handguns, one a Peace Officer with CHL, one a regluar Joe with CHL, and one a soccer mom without CHL. Will the Peace Officer get charged? No. Will the soccer mom get charged? No. So neither should the CHL. Whatever law allows a non-CHL to carry a handgun into a gun show should also apply to the CHL.

Likewise, I have been carrying handguns to gun shows legally since before I had a CHL. Whatever mechanism allowed that, continues to this day. What I am saying is, when I carry handgun to a Gun Show, I am not doing so under provisions of CHL law, so 30.06 does not apply.

Of course, bad facts make bad law so who knows what precedent will be set.

[Paladin]

The result is students are actually getting only about five hours of lecture time in a class mandated for ten hours.

True with some instructors.

But I think most of us can agree that some folks out there need more training than 5 hours lecture. I think Glockenhammer was pointing to some hands-on marksmanship and safety training. Hands-on training probably would take more than just 10 hour total time.

[stevie_d_64]

This may be a test case.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hea ... 58523.html

The gist of this article is that the shooter may be charged with violating the 30.06 signs posted at the door. I don't believe such signs should be legally valid, since the George R. Brown is a publicly owned facility. The counter argument is that they are because they are being leased by a private party.

I do not believe they are valid even if it is private facility. 30.06 only applies to folks carry gun under CHL law. For example:

Three people enter a Gun Show with concealed handguns, one a Peace Officer with CHL, one a regluar Joe with CHL, and one a soccer mom without CHL. Will the Peace Officer get charged? No. Will the soccer mom get charged? No. So neither should the CHL. Whatever law allows a non-CHL to carry a handgun into a gun show should also apply to the CHL.

Likewise, I have been carrying handguns to gun shows legally since before I had a CHL. Whatever mechanism allowed that, continues to this day. What I am saying is, when I carry handgun to a Gun Show, I am not doing so under provisions of CHL law, so 30.06 does not apply.

Of course, bad facts make bad law so who knows what precedent will be set.

Very true...

The only clear fact is that he carried a loaded firearm into a place/event that has a rule, not a law, a rule (and a great rule it is) to not do so...No penalties are enumerated to any violation to that rule other than they may ask you to leave...Thats all I understand it to be...

But for myself, if I have to bring a firearm into a gunshow, it will already be unloaded, and the action zip tied...And any firearm I carry for self defense I will lock up in the vehicle safe outside the event and continue on with my business inside...That way I will always know what I have and what condition it is in...

The guy here at the gunshow didn't take adequate precautions...Nor did he prepare well...And he paid for that mistake and oversight...I don't think there is anyone here who would not be embarrassed or otherwise humiliated if this had happened to you...

The real question you have to ask yourself at this point is, is that this guy has not been charged, and is due to go speak to the police undoubtably this week...Would you go to that meeting without legal representation???

Let say his CHL has been confiscated, the firearms he had with him (at the time) have been confiscated...Do you think he should get them back soon??? Firearms, but maybe not the CHL over a short suspension...

[Renegade]

Let say his CHL has been confiscated, the firearms he had with him (at the time) have been confiscated...Do you think he should get them back soon??? Firearms, but maybe not the CHL over a short suspension...

The NDs I am aware of in Dallas have never resulted in weapon confiscation. However, none of them resulted in anyone getting shot either. I am really unsure of the legal ground for firearm confiscation, or even CHL confiscation.

[pbandjelly]

Wow, those ND will get your attention. The whole floor of the show went dead silent after that shot

I wonder if anyone else pulled their "maybe-not-so-legal-carry-piece" out when they heard the shot.

shewt, I jump when cars back-fire.

pay for damages to the convention center, and what not, absolutely.
long as insurance doesn't pay, too.
guy pay his own medical bills? pssh. my best friend had to go to the ER the other night, and his bill was $1800, and all he got was a Rx for some antibiotics. I do NOT want to know what that dude's cost would have been, what with the Ambulance ride, stitches and actual treatment going on!

[KBCraig]

I do believe that if I was a gun show vendor, I'd keep an academy pad on hand for clearing.

http://www.personaldefensesolutions.net ... ode=SAFE-D

http://www.dsarms.com/prodinfo.asp?number=DSALETP

[govnor]

I do NOT want to know what that dude's cost would have been, what with the Ambulance ride, stitches and actual treatment going on!

Maybe I can shed some light on this. A couple of years ago one of my friends shot himself in the hand with an XD .45. Don't ask, because I can't divulge the details without his permission... Anyway, he went to the ER and of course his hand had to be operated on. Total cost was around $12,500. I don't know how long he was in the hospital, but I don't think it was more than one night.

[kingalls]

Did the bullet lodge in his hand or did it exit? If it exited, where did it land? Luck that no one else was hurt with a stray .40 caliber.

[piro]

Ambulance rides are something else 500-800 dollars. The guy driving it doesn't know the price, his partner doesn't know the price, no one at your final destination knows the price, and if you choose not to use it and drive yourself or get yourself to the ER you have to wait 20-40 minutes (depending on time of day and other people waiting) after filling out paperwork. In my opinion it is the hidden disgrace of our medical system that never gets talked about or brought out in the light. But that's a whole another thread.

Glad to see no one outside of the prep was hurt.

[govnor]

Did the bullet lodge in his hand or did it exit? If it exited, where did it land? Luck that no one else was hurt with a stray .40 caliber.

It was .45 actually...even worse! It did exit his hand out of the side. The bullet basically came out from the pinky side of his left hand. He was in his house alone, so no one else would have been hurt. I saw the aftermath and there was blood everywhere. Amazing how much blood can come out of your hand...

[govnor]

In my opinion it is the hidden disgrace of our medical system that never gets talked about or brought out in the light. But that's a whole another thread.

Well, if you want to talk about another disgrace. He had no insurance. They did go down on the original price just to get him to pay, which he did. His doctor told him though...that if he was an illegal alien it would have been taken care of since the federal government pays for them. Since he was just a regular old American though...pay up.

[Venus Pax]

His doctor told him though...that if he was an illegal alien it would have been taken care of since the federal government pays for them. Since he was just a regular old American though...pay up.

A sad state of affairs.