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Somehow I knew I should have clarified this, but thats ok, everyone brought up a good point or two about this...

I don't run the tape over the magnetic data strip for that very reason...

But since I have never seen, anyone swipe a DL for any reason since they changed the design and purpose of the Texas DL, I am at a loss...

But just between you and I...I don't think it works anyway for some strange reason... ;-)

All the data they need is in print on the front of the license...IMO...

But I've been known to be a rebel without a clue, from time to time... ;-)

I am not advocating anything inappropriate, or illegal, in this revelation...Maybe I should run over the the DMV and see if it works or something...
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stevie_d_64 wrote:Somehow I knew I should have clarified this, but thats ok, everyone brought up a good point or two about this...

I don't run the tape over the magnetic data strip for that very reason...

But since I have never seen, anyone swipe a DL for any reason since they changed the design and purpose of the Texas DL, I am at a loss...

But just between you and I...I don't think it works anyway for some strange reason... ;-)

All the data they need is in print on the front of the license...IMO...

But I've been known to be a rebel without a clue, from time to time... ;-)

I am not advocating anything inappropriate, or illegal, in this revelation...Maybe I should run over the the DMV and see if it works or something...
You don't fly Southwest outa Hobby much do you ;-) I don't think there is any information from the strip that isn't available from the front either.... now when they get around to putting the RFI tags in that could be different.
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stevie_d_64 wrote:But since I have never seen, anyone swipe a DL for any reason since they changed the design and purpose of the Texas DL, I am at a loss...
Bought a bottle of Testor's model paint at WalMart last week and they insisted on swiping my DL for it.

I definitely don't want every WalMart cashier to know I'm packing.

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stevie_d_64 wrote:Somehow I knew I should have clarified this, but thats ok, everyone brought up a good point or two about this...

I don't run the tape over the magnetic data strip for that very reason...

But since I have never seen, anyone swipe a DL for any reason since they changed the design and purpose of the Texas DL, I am at a loss...

But just between you and I...I don't think it works anyway for some strange reason... ;-)

All the data they need is in print on the front of the license...IMO...

But I've been known to be a rebel without a clue, from time to time... ;-)

I am not advocating anything inappropriate, or illegal, in this revelation...Maybe I should run over the the DMV and see if it works or something...
Did you actually clarify? I'm still confused as to how they are taped together, and where.

The convenience store by my workplace is now requiring at swipe of a driver's license for the purchase of cigarettes. This struck me as odd, as the law only allows this for alcohol purchases, as far as I'm aware. this is reflected in the TABC code in section 109.61 Any other use of the DL stripe has to be LE-related. Maybe my knowledge is old... last I checked it was a few years ago.

According to the Attorney General, I still seem to be correct. Here is a statement by the Attorney General, found at this link:

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/opinopen/opi ... adingID=36
Magnetic stripe information contained on driver's license may be used only by law enforcement and other government personnel acting in official capacities (Superceded by statute - Tex. Alco. Bev. Code Ann. § 109.61)
KD5NRH wrote:Bought a bottle of Testor's model paint at WalMart last week and they insisted on swiping my DL for it.
Using the data stripe for the purchase of paint seems clearly against the law.

The exception to this that I have found is for keeping record of the sale of substances which could be used in the manufacture of methamphetamines, which paint is not. I understand that it is the policy of Wal-Mart to ID for paint, but that does not supercede the law in regards to privacy of information. I'd ask for a manager and complain and figure out who to report them to. As the DL is issued by DPS, they're probably the ones to talk to.
Liberty wrote:You don't fly Southwest outa Hobby much do you Wink I don't think there is any information from the strip that isn't available from the front either.... now when they get around to putting the RFI tags in that could be different.
As far as swiping for luggage, that is probably done under the authority of the TSA, and legitimate.

There is actually one piece of information on there that is not on the front of the license. I looked this up once, and it contains a "security information" code. Most likely it is a special checksum hash or independently assigned number verifying the validity of the license against the DPS database. All of this information is kept unencrypted on the back of your card. Letting someone read that data allows them to store that information, opening the door to fraud. Once that data is available (via a compromise to the server where that info is stored, or internal fraud), anyone could write that data to a fake ID and pass themselves off as you. Since the security information is there, it acts as a verification of validity and could easily place you in criminal liability for something you did not do.

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Skiprr wrote:Just me, but I don't attach the DL and CHL. In fact, I carry my CHL upside and backwards in my wallet, so when my DL comes out all you see behind it is the bar code on my CHL. Too many places need to see your DL as identification (using a credit card at Gander mountain comes to mind), but I don't have any reason to show 'em my CHL. And my DL always comes out when I rent a car, and I sure don't want an Avis agent in Chicago to see CONCEALED HANDGUN LICENSE staring them in the face...I'm sure those little 1/8"-tall red letters will look like a big neon sign. :???:
Ha! I keep my DL and CHL in a small ID wallet. When I flip it open, there they both are. As for the Avis clerk in Chicago, I don't care what he thinks. If he doesn't like it, he can "kiss my grits" as the old saying goes.

I look at situations like that as consciousness raising opportunities. Maybe he will realize how he is a second class citizen.

BTW, did you know that in Chicago, there is an exemption to the blanket handgun ban? It is for city ALDERMEN. They can own and carry handguns with no permit required.
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AA at DFW has never swiped my DL and I tralev about 80%. Mostly international, some domestic. Heck, even Blake is EXP already and he is THREE! Youngest EXP in the system... ;-)
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stevie_d_64 wrote: I used to "clear" tape both my DL and the CHL together just so they would stay together for this very purpose...Saves me some time, and have had no complaints or concerns voiced about this "system"....
This seems like it could cause a little bit of hassle. It doesn't happen much anymore, but when I used to order a drink in the restaraunts that were required to be a "private club" I would give them my DL and they would swipe it through a reader thing... They also do that when I get my annual Hunting License.

There is also important information on the back of the DL you don't want to cover up.
They swipe driver licenses at airports tp check your baggage.
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NcongruNt wrote:Did you actually clarify? I'm still confused as to how they are taped together, and where.
You're right, I didn't even say...

I tape it long ways down the other side from where the mag strips are...I make it similar to a "hinge" that lets them fold against each other and not stress the tape and wear it out...

It was a very old trick someone from PDO many years ago mentioned they do just to keep the info together and reduce any fumbling for stuff in the event you need to give Law Enforcement this information...It was thought that the more organized you were in these situations that you at least kept the LEO from waiting to long keeping them exposed to any traffic issues along the highway...

If I get a ticket, that fine, but I am absolutely not going to allow these guys and gals to be exposed to getting hit in these instances...I will do what I can where I can to make the traffic stop safe for them, more than my welfare in having to pay the state for my breaking the law...

As for the use of the information on the stripe, if its not for Law Enforement use, anyone else should not even have a chance to swipe anything on a persons license...

I really hope they don't RIF these licenses... :lol:

Are there any other states that do this already??? Or contemplating this???
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I am also not advocating turning this thread into a "papers please" thread...

So I am doing my part to nip that in the bud, for what its worth... :lol:
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NcongruNt wrote:The convenience store by my workplace is now requiring at swipe of a driver's license for the purchase of cigarettes. This struck me as odd, as the law only allows this for alcohol purchases, as far as I'm aware. this is reflected in the TABC code in section 109.61 Any other use of the DL stripe has to be LE-related. Maybe my knowledge is old... last I checked it was a few years ago.
Yep, your information is old. There have been several changes to the Transportation Code section (521.126) that expand who can do it. One of the sections referenced is the Health and Safety Code section that specifically allows it to be checked for the purchase of cigarettes.

One of the problems with checking the AG opinion database is that it has all of the opinions there. They are not all applicable due to legislative changes. For example, I noticed the one on the page referenced that said red light cameras were illegal. The law was changed so cities can enforce traffic laws by civil action and there will need to be a new opinion on this subject (I still think this opinion is correct, but I am not an attorney).
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NcongruNt wrote:
KD5NRH wrote:Bought a bottle of Testor's model paint at WalMart last week and they insisted on swiping my DL for it.
Using the data stripe for the purchase of paint seems clearly against the law.
So, in addition to the OAG and the fast-food-reject in the manager nametag, who should I be sending complaints to?

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Lynn Smith Chevrolet in Burleson swipes your DL when you test drive a car.

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Even assuming the magnetic stripe contains only the information shown on the front, I don't care to be "swiped".

You know, you can fix that problem with a magnet. :twisted:
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NcongruNt wrote:As far as swiping for luggage, that is probably done under the authority of the TSA, and legitimate.
I was TSA at Love Field for three years and then spent the first nine months of 2006 traveling ALL the time. I never had my license swiped at any airport in all that travel time, and at Love Field I never saw a license swiped for baggage check in, but the auto check in kiosks would accept them for check in.

I made a bet with a Continental ticket agent who said that their kiosks wouldn't take TX DL as id, it had to be a credit card. I won double expressos for a week. :lol:

BTW, I have also tried running my CHL through the readers in a variety of places, and they didn't work. Maybe they use a different data format or protocol.
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Heh.

I DID show my CHL to the AVIS clerk at O'hare week before last.

I keep the CHL under my DL but in this case it was still in my pocket from the TSA at DFW.

The AVIS clerk asked me for my DL and CC and I pulled them out from my wallet. But these were the CHL and the CC.

She looked at it, smiled at me, and asked me for my DL.

:lol:

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I got stopped Wednesday on I 45 south of Dallas for doing 75 in a 60. I showed the cop my DL and CHL and told him where the gun was. He said, "I don't care where it is, if you have one of these (CHL) you're ok". He then wrote me up for 15 over the limit. I had it coming, 'cause I was messisng with the nav system and not paying attention and that's dangerous.

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