Court upholds rifle sales reporting requirement

[LSUTiger]

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[GeoffB]

Does this include the whole state of Texas, or just FFL dealers close to the border?

[The_Busy_Mom]

Every state that borders Mexico - the whole state. We are in DFW area, and have to report. Total bull, if you ask me.

TBM

[lrpettit]

I guess I'll have to start limiting my purchases to one per week!

[JSThane]

Or don't buy two rifles from the same shop within a week. Space them out, and support ALL your local Fun Shops, not just one!

[OldCannon]

I guess I'll have to start limiting my purchases to one per week!

I make sure all my customers are informed and aware of the current anti-gun rain dance going on by King Obama. I've had customers that have had more than one "qualifying" rifle get here at the same time, and they just transfer one a week. You don't have to transfer them all at once. There's no law that says you have to :)

[lrpettit]

I guess I'll have to start limiting my purchases to one per week!

I make sure all my customers are informed and aware of the current anti-gun rain dance going on by King Obama. I've had customers that have had more than one "qualifying" rifle get here at the same time, and they just transfer one a week. You don't have to transfer them all at once. There's no law that says you have to :)

With my budget (or lack thereof) I don't think I'll find this to be a big problem anytime soon.

[jmra]

I guess I'll have to start limiting my purchases to one per week!

I make sure all my customers are informed and aware of the current anti-gun rain dance going on by King Obama. I've had customers that have had more than one "qualifying" rifle get here at the same time, and they just transfer one a week. You don't have to transfer them all at once. There's no law that says you have to :)

With my budget (or lack thereof) I don't think I'll find this to be a big problem anytime soon.

[tomneal]

http://www.class3weapons.com/

Reporting applys to multi-packs of AR15 lower receivers

2 Pack Rock River Arms AR0114RRA Stripped Lower Receivers Price $289.00

Finishing the guns might be expensive but the Multi-packs are within my budget.


On the other hand...
I thought there were multiple court cases, that would go to at least 2 different Courts of Appeal.
All the cases aren't complete, are they?

[OldCannon]

http://www.class3weapons.com/

Reporting applys to multi-packs of AR15 lower receivers

No, it absolutely doesn't. Why do you think that?

[tomneal]

Good thing I am not an FFL

[sjfcontrol]

http://www.class3weapons.com/

Reporting applys to multi-packs of AR15 lower receivers

No, it absolutely doesn't. Why do you think that?

Could you explain why it would't? The lower is the formal "gun" part.

[OldCannon]

http://www.class3weapons.com/

Reporting applys to multi-packs of AR15 lower receivers

No, it absolutely doesn't. Why do you think that?

Could you explain why it would't? The lower is the formal "gun" part.

A lower is not a gun. It's a receiver. To the ATF, it is not a rifle or a shotgun, therefore it's marked as an "other" in the transfer. It is logged as a "Receiver" in the A&D log. Yes, it's a serialized component, but it is NOT a gun.

An AR-15 "stripped lower" is not, and never has been, considered a "gun" in any legal consideration (ok, I can't speak for the insane states like CA or NY)

Edit: In a twisted sense of irony, if you are under 21, you _cannot_ transfer a AR-15 stripped lower, but you can buy a complete rifle. Go figure

[RX8er]

Reporting applys to multi-packs of AR15 lower receivers

On the other hand...
I thought there were multiple court cases, that would go to at least 2 different Courts of Appeal.
All the cases aren't complete, are they?

I have heard of one case where an IOI was telling FFL dealers this. Our inspector was very specific in the fact hat it had to be a full rifle. This form specifically calls out reporting semi-automatic rifles larger than .22. The form in question is the ATF E-Form 3310.12

This form is to be used by licensees to report all transactions in which an unlicensed person acquired, at one time or during five consecutive business days, two or more
semi-automatic rifles larger than .22 caliber (including .223/5.56 caliber) with the ability to accept a detachable magazine. This form is not required when the rifles are
returned to the same person from whom they are received.

[Wes]

http://www.class3weapons.com/

Reporting applys to multi-packs of AR15 lower receivers

No, it absolutely doesn't. Why do you think that?

Could you explain why it would't? The lower is the formal "gun" part.

A lower is not a gun. It's a receiver. To the ATF, it is not a rifle or a shotgun, therefore it's marked as an "other" in the transfer. It is logged as a "Receiver" in the A&D log. Yes, it's a serialized component, but it is NOT a gun.

An AR-15 "stripped lower" is not, and never has been, considered a "gun" in any legal consideration (ok, I can't speak for the insane states like CA or NY)

Edit: In a twisted sense of irony, if you are under 21, you _cannot_ transfer a AR-15 stripped lower, but you can buy a complete rifle. Go figure

So they just require the ffl transfer because its serialized, not because its classified as a gun? Interesting. I knew it needed ffl and everything, can't say I knew exactly why though since its not a gun as you said.

I actually bought two rifles from cabelas a couple months ago and asked about this but they said they had no requirement like that. Has this been pending the court outcome?