TX - duty to retreat?

[Charles L. Cotton]

Why are we having such a hard time getting good CHL bills passed this time republicans control both the Texas houses. I feel like we are being played by many this time around.

Played? Absolutely! By many? No.

Chas.

[Redneck_Buddha]

Haha! Wish we could get the 'like' button here!

[JALLEN]

You guys are making me nervous. I am moving for other reasons but was hoping to get away from this socialist hellhole mentality of the whacko Democrats in the Legislature here who have a supermajority this time.

I surely do not want to get back home just in time to see them do to Texas what they have done to California which, when I arrived, had a Governor named Reagan, one of the more prominent state supreme courts in the country, a growing thriving economy and one of the best educational systems in the country.

[Dadtodabone]

You guys are making me nervous. I am moving for other reasons but was hoping to get away from this socialist hellhole mentality of the whacko Democrats in the Legislature here who have a supermajority this time.

I surely do not want to get back home just in time to see them do to Texas what they have done to California which, when I arrived, had a Governor named Reagan, one of the more prominent state supreme courts in the country, a growing thriving economy and one of the best educational systems in the country.

June 6, 1978 was a beautiful day in the North County area of SD county. I was standing in one of the official polling locations, my cousin's garage in RB, and watched while folks voted away the future. I still believe that there were other options that could have moderated inequities in taxes, as was done here in Texas, (homestead and seniors exemptions, etc.) Like many things we try, unintended consequences from that vote reverberate to this day.

[VMI77]

I actually hope for something bad to happen to people that write these kinds of laws. It's the only way to make them change their minds....unless they are completely beyond all darwinian recall.

While I share the sentiment, the most likely outcome won't be a reasonable change to the law due to their experience, but some exemption in the law for themselves.

[VMI77]

This is a portion of the Texas State Rifle Association's legislative alert that just went out on it:

Oppose HB 3773 by Rep. Garnet Coleman (D-Houston)
On Monday, April 29th, the House Committee on Criminal Jurisprudence is taking public testimony on HB 3773 by Rep. Garnet Coleman (D-Houston).

HB 3773 is beyond bad and, if passed, would gut what the press refers to as "Castle Doctrine" passed by TSRA and NRA in 2007.

Among the many things wrong with HB 3773, the bill would raise the mental standard for using deadly force for personal protection from "reasonably believes" to the impossible level of "substantially certain", and requires the intended victim be "unable to safely retreat".

An assailant pulls a gun or a knife on an intended victim, a CHL for instance, the intended victim must first consider getting away and second be"substantially certain" the assailant is serious about using the gun or knife to do them harm.

Probably worse, HB 3773 repeals the "presumption" for use of deadly force for every location other than within your home, only within your home would you not be required to retreat first. If you're on the street or in your vehicle you would be required to try to get away and then, again, be absolutely certain the assailant intends deadly force.

An additional outrageous change would prohibit the use of deadly force to stop a robbery or aggravated robbery . If the intended victim is stopped on the street by an armed robber; the victim would need to comply, although an armed CHL.

HB 3773 gives protection to those who would do us harm and puts the rights and the safety of intended victims in question and in jeopardy.

These are only a few of the problems with HB 3773 by Rep. Coleman.

Please contact members of the House Committee on Criminal Justice and urge them to vote against and stop Rep. Coleman's HB 3773! Please call their office and/or send email.

Law-abiding Texans Need Your Help!....

That's just another welfare benefit. Where else are street thugs supposed to get free guns at no risk?

[gthaustex]

An assailant pulls a gun or a knife on an intended victim, a CHL for instance, the intended victim must first consider getting away and second be"substantially certain" the assailant is serious about using the gun or knife to do them harm.

/sarcasm

I wonder if the police will also have to be "substantially certain" that the bad guy is serious about using the gun or knife before firing to defend themselves? They may get around the duty to retreat, since they are LEOs, but the same logic seems to follow that they would have to be "substantially certain" under this piece of garbage.

/sarcasm off

[Purplehood]

Thanks for explaining it in depth. I remember years back when I went through my first CHL class, the instructor brought in a lawyer that talked In depth about the possible consequences of shooting a intruder in the event or need to protect yourself. He used several examples of how the system could backfire against the CHL holder. His words in a nut shell were to polietly keep your mouth shut after the event and respectfully ask to contact your lawyer as you take your ride downtown for questioning. He cautioned the worst thing a person could do was to tell LEO the details at the scene. Even a by-the-book incident could be turned against you. I came to the conclusion he meant if you have no other option to protect yourself, lethal force was unfortunately preferred to possibly prevent a civil suit. I'm not condoning or suggesting that lethal force be used, but our class was told to be prepared to spend a boat load of money for legal defense. I hope I never have to test the system. If Texas was to lose the castle doctrine the halls of justice will definitely be painted a much different color.

I will be sending my disapproval letters to the appropriate officials.

My instructor said pretty-much the same thing but I did not arrive at the same conclusion (lethal force is preferred). I concluded that you keep your mouth shut and talk to your lawyer only.

[JALLEN]

You guys are making me nervous. I am moving for other reasons but was hoping to get away from this socialist hellhole mentality of the whacko Democrats in the Legislature here who have a supermajority this time.

I surely do not want to get back home just in time to see them do to Texas what they have done to California which, when I arrived, had a Governor named Reagan, one of the more prominent state supreme courts in the country, a growing thriving economy and one of the best educational systems in the country.

June 6, 1978 was a beautiful day in the North County area of SD county. I was standing in one of the official polling locations, my cousin's garage in RB, and watched while folks voted away the future. I still believe that there were other options that could have moderated inequities in taxes, as was done here in Texas, (homestead and seniors exemptions, etc.) Like many things we try, unintended consequences from that vote reverberate to this day.

If you are referring to Prop 13, I disagree thoroughly. Something had to be done to stop, or slow down the spending mania, and that was a start. As it was, my former in-laws, who had bought their home in 1951, and had paid it off in 1976, were paying more in property taxes than they paid for their house! Many were facing losing their homes because of property taxes which were then based on current market value.

The home I bought in 1973 for $21,500 sold in 1978 for $56,500! A few years ago, that same property sold for slightly over $400,000! This was due in large part to the influence of the baby-boomers of which I was the leading edge, and the artificial constriction on supply with "slow growth' policies enacted in the early to mid-70s. Putting limits on property taxes was also thought to cap what was seen as out of control spending, but they hadn't seen nuthin' yet. It's all about feathers from the goose and squawking.

Warren Buffett wrote an op-ed that appeared in the papers, many years ago back when I still read them, decrying Prop 13, as his house in Laguna Beach was assessed at 1978 value, while the house across the street was several times that, due to a recent sale. I wrote in that all Buffett had to do to raise his taxes was sell his house and buy another one. I don't believe he has taken that suggestion yet.

Even with Prop. 13 in place, California has the highest tax burden of any state, excepting possibly New York, and it is because the socialists in the Legislature keep spending, illegals keep getting free services, and hobos from around the world love the terrific weather, as long as they aren't paying for it. They raised fees to park at the beach, fees for approving subdivisions, and everything else that government does but doesn't need to do.

I have been predicting for some time that within two generations, everyone in California will be either working for, or standing in line at, the welfare office or DMV. My forecasting is, like Yogi Berra, none too good especially when it pertains to the future, but I have seen no reason to amend my views to date.

[Charles L. Cotton]

You guys are making me nervous. I am moving for other reasons but was hoping to get away from this socialist hellhole mentality of the whacko Democrats in the Legislature here who have a supermajority this time.

I surely do not want to get back home just in time to see them do to Texas what they have done to California which, when I arrived, had a Governor named Reagan, one of the more prominent state supreme courts in the country, a growing thriving economy and one of the best educational systems in the country.

Don't be nervous; come home. Nothing bad is going to happen in the Legislature, but progress this session is going to be as limited as I predicted before the session started. But remember, this too shall pass.

Chas.

[Shoot Straight]

You guys are making me nervous. I am moving for other reasons but was hoping to get away from this socialist hellhole mentality of the whacko Democrats in the Legislature here who have a supermajority this time.

I surely do not want to get back home just in time to see them do to Texas what they have done to California which, when I arrived, had a Governor named Reagan, one of the more prominent state supreme courts in the country, a growing thriving economy and one of the best educational systems in the country.

Don't be nervous; come home. Nothing bad is going to happen in the Legislature, but progress this session is going to be as limited as I predicted before the session started. But remember, this too shall pass.

Chas.

It will pass when we elect legislators with the guts to oust Straus.

[JALLEN]

You guys are making me nervous. I am moving for other reasons but was hoping to get away from this socialist hellhole mentality of the whacko Democrats in the Legislature here who have a supermajority this time.

I surely do not want to get back home just in time to see them do to Texas what they have done to California which, when I arrived, had a Governor named Reagan, one of the more prominent state supreme courts in the country, a growing thriving economy and one of the best educational systems in the country.

Don't be nervous; come home. Nothing bad is going to happen in the Legislature, but progress this session is going to be as limited as I predicted before the session started. But remember, this too shall pass.

Chas.

Oh, not to worry, I'm coming whether nervous or not.

House inspection is tomorrow. Assuming that goes OK, I know title is unobjectionable, the buyers are wealthy so the small loan they want is no problem, I'll start to feel confident about the sale closing.

If the Lege is so solidly Republican, why all this controversy?

[Jaguar]

You guys are making me nervous. I am moving for other reasons but was hoping to get away from this socialist hellhole mentality of the whacko Democrats in the Legislature here who have a supermajority this time.

I surely do not want to get back home just in time to see them do to Texas what they have done to California which, when I arrived, had a Governor named Reagan, one of the more prominent state supreme courts in the country, a growing thriving economy and one of the best educational systems in the country.

Don't be nervous; come home. Nothing bad is going to happen in the Legislature, but progress this session is going to be as limited as I predicted before the session started. But remember, this too shall pass.

Chas.

Oh, not to worry, I'm coming whether nervous or not.

House inspection is tomorrow. Assuming that goes OK, I know title is unobjectionable, the buyers are wealthy so the small loan they want is no problem, I'll start to feel confident about the sale closing.

If the Lege is so solidly Republican, why all this controversy?

I believe the answer to that question can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=125&t=62468" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[tommyg]

I don't think this bill has much of a chance Gov Perry will veto it if it gets to him

[AEA]

I don't think this bill has much of a chance Gov Perry will veto it if it gets to him

Possibly,..........IF he reads it!