Signs for the CHLer

[apostate]

If so, is it constitutional for a company to restrict the Rights of the people?

A company can fire you for saying bad things about the company, even if what you say is true.

[RPB]

is it constitutional for a company to restrict the Rights of the people?

Does the company have a Constitution? Some churches do when they constitute a new branch of a church...

Constitution
A body of fundamental principles or established precedents according to which a state or other organization is acknowledged to be governed.

A constitution is a set of rules that defines a nation and its government. It grants authority to the government and sets out how it will operate.

Companies can fire you for looking an inch taller today than yesterday, wearing the wrong socks or as most do ... for "no reason at all" (so you can't sue for being terminated "for the wrong reason"

Texas has a constitution.
Texas isn't a "right to work" state. Work is selling your time to someone ... and slavery is history, so you can also quit for any reason you want too ... and work for someone who you want to work for.
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proper 30.06 notice can be the big sign, or written in an Employee handbook a card or other document
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.30.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Notice" means oral or written communication,,,

b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.

(c) In this section:

(3) "Written communication" means:

(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or

Come to think of it ,,, the 1" letter size requirement for a SIGN
rather than an 8-1/2 by 11" page on a "card or other document" taped to a door/window with the proper language might not be such a strong defense with the wrong jury

3) "Written communication" means:

(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or

(B) a sign posted on the property that:

[gringo pistolero]

There's no constitutional right to work for ACME company, so they don't violate your constitutional rights if they end your employment with them. On the flip side, they have no constitutional right to force you to work for them, so you don't violate their rights if you quit because you don't like their policies.

[xb12s]

I don't know if I should tag on here or start a new thread. I have two questions.

I went into my credit union - JSC Federal Credit Union. The branch I went into (this was not the main branch) had a 30.06 sign posted, but the the letters were not in all caps.

Would the use of mixed case letters disqualify the sign (the language of 30.06 says "block letters")?

Would JSC Federal Credit Union somehow qualify as federal property?

It is not NASA itself, but I'm not sure how the bank/credit union ownership works. Usually, the union part of it defines it as being democratically owned by it's members, right? But that doesn't really define the land ownership aspect of things or how the government/lawyer might view the property.

[RPB]

I don't know if I should tag on here or start a new thread. I have two questions.

I went into my credit union - JSC Federal Credit Union. The branch I went into (this was not the main branch) had a 30.06 sign posted, but the the letters were not in all caps.

Would the use of mixed case letters disqualify the sign (the language of 30.06 says "block letters")?

Would JSC Federal Credit Union somehow qualify as federal property?

It is not NASA itself, but I'm not sure how the bank/credit union ownership works. Usually, the union part of it defines it as being democratically owned by it's members, right? But that doesn't really define the land ownership aspect of things or how the government/lawyer might view the property.

not in all caps.
They aren't required to be all caps, just 1" or larger block letters. Lowercase letters can be block letters too/ they aren't script.

My dad was at one time an officer of the Southwestern Bell Telephone Company Federal Credit Union ... had nothing to do with being a federal property or federal employees....still, don't carry past a valid and enforceable 30.06 sign

[xb12s]

I just took a look at the comparison between the new verbiage and the old verbiage sign. I'll have to commit that to memory (Subchapter H , Chapter 411 VS 4413).

[RPB]

I just took a look at the comparison between the new verbiage and the old verbiage sign. I'll have to commit that to memory (Subchapter H , Chapter 411 VS 4413).

or, just ignore anything with a (29ee)

When I see the ee I walk by singing ... E E oooh ahh ahh ooh ahh walla walla bing bang .. or something like that
(unless it's on a courthouse or place that's actually off limits) I know Courts are off limits even with no sign, but one court here has the 29ee sign ... so that's one I don't go past, but not due to the signage, which could be ignored, but because it's a Court and you can't carry there ....

[katmandu]

Here's what's on the door of the Texoma Medical Center Outpatient Rehabilitation center in Denison, on Hwy. 84 (as of today, Sept. 28, 2012)

[RPB]

Here's what's on the door of the Texoma Medical Center Outpatient Rehabilitation center in Denison, on Hwy. 84 (as of today, Sept. 28, 2012)

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You already know, but for future readers running across this:
Non-licensees probably will be charged with 30.05 Trespassing as well as other charges.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.30.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sec. 30.05. CRIMINAL TRESPASS. (f) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that:

(1) the basis on which entry on the property or land or in the building was forbidden is that entry with a handgun was forbidden; and

(2) the person was carrying a concealed handgun and a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun of the same category the person was carrying.

30.05 differs from 30.06
Sec. 30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUN.

SO
By actually posting the 30.05 sign, they provide proof for a defense to prosecution to licensees, by providing the sign, they proved 30.05 (f)(1) the basis on which entry on the property or land or in the building was forbidden is that entry with a handgun was forbidden;
so by virtue of us fulfilling 30.05(f)(2) we have our defense
30.05(f)(2) the person was carrying a concealed handgun and a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun of the same category the person was carrying.

That was really nice of them to do that, they could post a 30.06 sign, but instead posted a defense for licensees.
I wouldn't bother thanking them though ... the one who ordered the sign might not know what the sign installer did, or the employees might not understand what the management did ... let sleepin' dogs sleep and let the ignorant "feel safe" because they know the sign protects them, backed up by cameras maybe, so they can feel safe protected by a camera and a sign. and a law saying criminals can't do bad things and stuff.

[katmandu]

Thanks for adding that RPB

[paula]

When I see the ee I walk by singing ... E E oooh ahh ahh ooh ahh walla walla bing bang .. or something like that

Dang! Now I've got that song stuck in my head! If I recall (no easy feat at my age) it's ..oooh eee oooh ahh ahh ting tang walla walla bing bang!

Cheers,

Paula

[Cindy]

Love the visuals. Very helpful for someone with a new CHL. Thanks

[E10]

Texas isn't a "right to work" state.

Au contraire. Texas IS a 'right to work' state. That means you don't have to join a union as a condition of employment.

However, Texas is also an employment 'at will' state. That means your employer can fire you for any reason, or for no reason, just as long as the termination isn't based on one of the 'protected categories' of the Equal Employment Opportunity Act. You can also quit for any reason, or for no reason. So, you can actually be fired for having a CHL, if your employer somehow finds out. Now, collecting unemployment is another matter....

IANAL, but I AM a Senior Professional in Human Resources.

[kraken]

I just had a run in with an overzealous movie theater guard at the Edwards Greenway Plaza in Houston.

I just came from there and had been yanked out of a theater by "security". Apparently I printed or someone saw the holster attachment on my belt when I picked up a set of dropped keys. About an hour later a a "guard" asks me to step outside. He tells me that someone said that I had a gun. I said yes and that I had my license with me. He asks me if I'm on-duty. I said "no", and he responds by explaining that they don't allow off-duty cops to carry in the theater. I tell him that I'm not a cop and he proceeds to tell me that it's against state law to bring a gun into a theater. I asked him if the law had recently changed and he said it had. I asked the name of the law and he was unable to tell me. He says that I can put it in my car or leave. I put it in my car. When I get back he pulls me aside again and tells me that he called the police on me while I was in the garage. I asked him why he did that since I had complied and there was no signage anywhere that I could've ignored. He referenced the Newtown shooting. I was there for a preview and he said that if I’d been a paying customer I’d have been allowed to carry. I confirm that I’d heard him correctly by repeating what he said. He said there were 30.06 signs by the box office. I hadn't gone there and pointed out that the signs are supposed to be at the entrance. Otherwise I'd have to come in with a gun to see that I was breaking the law. I asked him about the changed law and he admitted that he’d lied. I asked him if he was lying about the signage and a superior interrupts and tells me that I’m free to return to the movie. I head back in and am stopped by another “guard”. He demands to waive a metal detector over me. I consent and he seems baffled about why the front of my pants set it off. I point out that I have a metal belt buckle and am allowed back inside. This “guard” has waived that wand over me at every preview I’ve gone to, as many as four a week, and waived me through every time. He knew I had a gun and has always known but always gave me a nod and let me pass. That’s why the word “guard” is in quotes, because he’s scanning for camcorders, not guns. He couldn’t even look me in the eye afterward and neither could another female “guard” who was with him. Throughout the movie the one who pulled me out kept standing at the front of the theater and staring at me.

The theater has no legal signage so they can’t be labeled anti-gun to concealed carriers and lose their money. However they are in fact anti-gun and will call the police on you when it suits them.

[Deckeriv]

Sign at Cinemark in Webster. I saw nothing else.