Well Here We Go

[Laneman]

First I want to say deep condolences to the families, you are all in our prayers. Two things noteworthy in this case: 1)a lady who is a kindergarten teacher in a blue state owns two semi-auto pistols and a .223 rifle. What are the odds of that? 2) That same lady, with a son who had asperger's syndrome, would allow him access to those guns.
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After the 1997 shooting of 16 kids in Dunblane, England, the United Kingdom passed one of the strictest gun-control laws in the world, banning its citizens from owning almost all types of handguns. The result? Gun-related crime has nearly doubled in the U.K. since the ban was enacted, and a place called Lancashire suffered the single largest rise in gun crime, with recorded offenses increasing 598 per cent since the ban.

[MeMelYup]

This part is nice?

Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

[Dave2]

This part is nice?

Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

Well that's stupid. All guns are based on military designs to some degree or another.

[punkndisorderly]

The sad thing, beyond the incident itself, is that we as a nation will continue to ignore the root causes.
We will continue to raise our kids on a steady diet of media that glorifies senseless violence, thuggery, and self importance.
We will continue to teach them that it's all about them, that they are owed everything and be surprised when they act out when they don't get it.
We will continue to ignore mental health problems except to categorize and alienate and continue to treat the symptoms rather than the causes.
We will continue to allow people to bully and abuse others while removing any outlets for the victims to remedy the situation.

We have a sick society. The fixes aren't easy or straightforward. We got this way gradually.

Each time one of these tragedies happens, we ask why. And then we look for causes outside ourselves. We always fail to look at the causes from within.

On a micro scale, yes, the perpetrators are responsible. On the macro scale, we as a whole are responsible. Whether we are responsible directly by bullying people or ignoring our children in the pursuit of material goods or "finding ourselves" or indirectly when we see wrongs and fail to address them.

[VMI77]

This part is nice?

Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

Well that's stupid. All guns are based on military designs to some degree or another.

That's the point...it allows them to ban all guns, incrementally.

[PATHFINDER]

The utter futility of gun control laws, and discussions regarding mental illness offer little hope of ever preventing such tragedies. We are AT WAR with manifestations of EVIL - and we have no viable choice other than to DEFEND against the threat. As long a sheep mentality overrides our natural self defense instincts that reside within our DNA such tragedies will be repeated. After all we are not cattle - we are predatory by nature. We possess canine teeth in addition to our mandibles for a reason.

As long as people persist in engaging in helpless "grazing" behavior they will remain vunerable to predation. As long as we are satisfied having our children being protected by thin "feel-good" layers of security while intrusting our safety to LEO's positioned at the far end of a 911 call we exhibit the pathology of insanity.

Even more agregious is the consignment of our most helpless children to an UNPROTECTED environment 7 hours a day, 5 days a week .

Hopefully upcoming school board meetings across the nation will be filled with parents demanding tangible protection for our children.

We must not allow this tragedy to be a catalyst for further stupidity focused on banning guns, magazines, and establishing more GFZ's.

The enormity of this tragedy was PREVENTABLE with MULTIPLE LAYERS of security, THE ABILITY TO USE DEADLY FORCE as a last resort being one layer.

My wife and I plan to attend our grandchildren's Christmas music performance next Friday in Edgewood Village (Ft Worth). I would like to see policies in place in Texas by then requiring parents to provide a guest list to the office, that would be compared to I.D.'s at the door. I think every public school district should set the goal of having AT THE VERY LEAST one police officer assigned to every school effective Monday morning. In lieu of that authorize, and assign at least one armed CHL staff member to security detail. That would be a step in the RIGHT DIRECTION to seriously address the existing vunerability of our children while their safety is entrusted to the care of school officials.

I don't expect the superintendent of this particular CT school district to accept any responsibility for failing to DEFEND those 20 children - but that is where the RESPONSIBILITY ultimately resides. Unfortunately I expect the 2A and the NRA to reap the bulk of the blame in a stampede for further gun restrictions upon the law-abiding armed citizens who can actually prevent such tragedies.

I just heard former NYC Mayor Rudy Guliani opine that even an armed policeman AT THE DOOR might not have stopped this murderer. That is conceivably possible I suppose - assuming that was the ONLY layer of DEFENSE in place. TWO additional layers should be ARMED administrators, and TEACHERS.

[Dave2]

I would like to see policies in place in Texas by then requiring parents to provide a guest list to the office, that would be compared to I.D.'s at the door.

They're public schools... Why shouldn't I be able to see how my tax dollars are being used?

[punkndisorderly]

Perhaps a policeman at the door would have stopped him. Perhaps the police officer would have been the first victim.

Security offers some level of protection, but is not THE answer. There is no one answer, as much as we would like that to be the case.

Security can and will fail. Airports have more security than any school could hope to afford both in technology and manpower and yet breaches continue. At best, it forces the bad actor to move on to greener pastures. Take a person bent on carnage. You make schools too difficult. They take their carnage to the malls. Make the malls to difficult. They'll attack sporting events. You make that too difficult, they'll move on to museums, festivals, churches, etc.

The same goes for weapons. Ban one type of gun, they'll go to another. Ban all guns, they'll go to explosives, swords, poisons, vehicles, etc. The worst school massacre in the US (Bath School) was carried out without a firearm.

The only way to truly diminish (there's no way to eliminate them) instances of this nature is to attack the causes. Worse, there is no one cause. Sick culture? Check. Broken mental health system? Check. Bullies? Check. Breakdown of the family? Check. Malfunctioning justice system? Check. Media that grants instant fame? Check. Could go on until I had more checks than a bank.

To focus on any one as THE problem means not addressing all the others.

Two other things that seem to be lost in the media blitz. One is how rare these things are. They're horrible in their magnitude, but tiny in comparison to the many other bad things that happen. 20 lives taken by a madman are horrible. Thousands of lives lost a little at a time from gang violence, drunken driving, misuse of prescription drugs, etc.

The other is what we as individuals can do to, if not prevent these things from happening, at least minimize our chances from being involved. Be aware of those around you. Keep gear that isn't under your immediate control locked up. Speak up if you see warning signs from people.

[PATHFINDER]

At the moment parents, grandparents, and educators across the nation are in a state of shock over this tragedy in particular, and the seemingly never ending and escalating array of similar tragedies.

Sanctimonious commentary by "experts", media commentators, and school officials as to the low statistical probabilities of a similar tragedy occuring in any given elementary school will fall upon deaf ears.

Probabilities, permutations, computations aside - the reality is that such a tragedy either WILL ...or WILL NOT happen at another elementary school, theater, or shopping center.

Viewed from a REAL WORLD perspective, the odds that X, Y, or Z "WILL... or WILL NOT " occur comprises a universe of only TWO possible outcomes.....translating into a 50/50 chance. Not very reassuring to most of us - and particularly not comforting to 5-6 year old kids.

For now....... the adults are angry that our children are not adequately protected in public schools, and we are searching for any viable solution.

Monday morning....... our children may not be wanting to go to their respective elementary schools.

The one's that do go to school Monday will have every right to ask their parents and teachers....." How are YOU going to PROTECT ME from bad people TODAY ? "

Our children deserve a serious response accompanied by prompt action. They are not interested in hearing protracted discourse over gun control, or the state of our mental healthcare system.

They only ask that we - their parents, educators - PROTECT THEM...TODAY.

[frreed]

I am not convinced that this event will cause any great changes in gun laws. Sadly, my reasoning us not based on the strength of the Second Amendment or sanity amongst those who lead our government. This sad event will remain relevant through the weekend and then the next story will appear on our computers and televisions. Lindsay Lohan will have plastic surgery while serving 90 days for public stupidity and the press and the president will be crying for something to be done about the atrocity.

We live in a short news cycle culture which is, in many ways, the root cause of tragedies such as the Newtown killings. Passions rise over the truly horrific and the inane at the same rate. Sure the mayors, news analysts and politicians are getting their moments today. Tomorrow it will be something else. We take very little seriously as a society, with one exception, that being "what is in it for me". The president got his moment to be caring and emotional. The lib press got to show outrage. Various politicians got to feed their base. 27 families will bury their loved ones, and the rest of us will go on with life. Insane people will still walk the streets and evil will still work in the hearts of man.

The hard work will never be done. Honest "national conversation" about this event will never take place because no one individual, or interest group, will benefit from it. We are no longer a nation of great people. We are a conglomeration interest groups and the rest of the nation is only useful if they support our interest. Deep down all who are calling for gun control know that this is not about guns. It is insanity and evil manifest in a most dreadful manner. When these murdered children fail to support their interest they will move on.

That being said, I do hope that we will make serious efforts to make our schools a place where we can defend children from future attacks. We here know how that should happen, with less restrictions on 2A. Hopefully, by some truly remarkable act of grace, the lives of these children will stir the hearts of those involved to look beyond themselves.

[VMI77]

The utter futility of gun control laws, and discussions regarding mental illness offer little hope of ever preventing such tragedies. We are AT WAR with manifestations of EVIL - and we have no viable choice other than to DEFEND against the threat. As long a sheep mentality overrides our natural self defense instincts that reside within our DNA such tragedies will be repeated. After all we are not cattle - we are predatory by nature. We possess canine teeth in addition to our mandibles for a reason.

As long as people persist in engaging in helpless "grazing" behavior they will remain vunerable to predation. As long as we are satisfied having our children being protected by thin "feel-good" layers of security while intrusting our safety to LEO's positioned at the far end of a 911 call we exhibit the pathology of insanity.

Even more agregious is the consignment of our most helpless children to an UNPROTECTED environment 7 hours a day, 5 days a week .

Hopefully upcoming school board meetings across the nation will be filled with parents demanding tangible protection for our children.

We must not allow this tragedy to be a catalyst for further stupidity focused on banning guns, magazines, and establishing more GFZ's.

The enormity of this tragedy was PREVENTABLE with MULTIPLE LAYERS of security, THE ABILITY TO USE DEADLY FORCE as a last resort being one layer.

My wife and I plan to attend our grandchildren's Christmas music performance next Friday in Edgewood Village (Ft Worth). I would like to see policies in place in Texas by then requiring parents to provide a guest list to the office, that would be compared to I.D.'s at the door. I think every public school district should set the goal of having AT THE VERY LEAST one police officer assigned to every school effective Monday morning. In lieu of that authorize, and assign at least one armed CHL staff member to security detail. That would be a step in the RIGHT DIRECTION to seriously address the existing vunerability of our children while their safety is entrusted to the care of school officials.

I don't expect the superintendent of this particular CT school district to accept any responsibility for failing to DEFEND those 20 children - but that is where the RESPONSIBILITY ultimately resides. Unfortunately I expect the 2A and the NRA to reap the bulk of the blame in a stampede for further gun restrictions upon the law-abiding armed citizens who can actually prevent such tragedies.

I just heard former NYC Mayor Rudy Guliani opine that even an armed policeman AT THE DOOR might not have stopped this murderer. That is conceivably possible I suppose - assuming that was the ONLY layer of DEFENSE in place. TWO additional layers should be ARMED administrators, and TEACHERS.

You're talking about Connecticut....the teachers are mostly a bunch of lefties and they're not going to carry guns. The administrators are all lefties. Being defenseless is part of the collectivist program. They find victim-hood ennobling. There is no way they're going to support being armed. There is no way they're going to support ANY action by individuals that facilitates the notion that people can do things on their own without government.

A police office at the door might have stopped THIS murder but it wouldn't have stopped this MURDERER. If he thought the armed cop would disrupt his plans he would simply have found a softer target. You can't fix crazy. The pretend tears of the collectivists aside, they don't care about us mundanes being killed except as it furthers their agenda and increases their power. Defenselessness and helplessness is the fundamental requirement of collectivism.

Oh yeah, where are all the forum libs telling us The One isn't going to take any of our guns away?

[Fangs]

Am I the only one not surprised by this?

Guess I just read somewhere long ago that murderers see their victims as objects, not as human beings. Not sure why small objects would be less murderable than large objects to such a mind. If anything, they're be easier targets with less chance of offering resistance.

Maybe I'm just jaded, or too good at seeing this from the murderer's perspective.

[anygunanywhere]

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Anygunanywhere

[Heartland Patriot]

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Anygunanywhere

That quote is Rahm Emmanuel channeling leftist ideological mentor Saul Alinsky.

[PATHFINDER]

Thousands - if not millions - of parents are thinking today that they wished there was some way they could stay at home and home school their kids - at least until high school. Many will decide to do so. Most unfortunately will not , or simply cannot. Those that must keep their kids in public schools should demand that their school district board members approve some form of armed PROTECTION at the earliest possible date. No hand-ringing for 2 years over the issue - just get it done.

I can't tell you how many times today I was assured by some talking head on FOX, or CNN that public schools are doing EVERYTHING possible to protect our children. That is pure Buffalo Sinew - and they know it, but they are stuck in their chosen version of reality.