Lubbock, TX PD dashcam: LEO quickly kills pitbull w/ 1 round

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Re: Lubbock, TX PD dashcam: LEO quickly kills pitbull w/ 1 r

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MoJo wrote:Dogs, a breed of dog is only as good or as evil as their training/conditioning. In the '60's-70's the evil dog was the German Shepard, 70's-80's the Doberman, 80's-90's the Rottweiler, now its the Pit Bull. In the early days of the 20th Century the Pit Bulldog was known as the "nanny dog" because of their gentle nature and protective behavior. Remember "Petey" from the "Little Rascals"? So what breed will be next? The Labrador, Golden, Brittany, or maybe the "Killer Chihuahua?" Dogs suffer the same discrimination as gun owners in the eyes of the media.
Ah, the age old nature/nurture debate.

I've seen this same blurb posted several times on Facebook. I'm not one to immediately condemn all dogs within a certain breed, but I don't think this paragraph is wholly accurate.

Almost any dog can be mistreated and become aggressive. Sure. But different breeds have strong instincts that give them stronger proclivities to one type of behavior or another. Beyond that, different breeds have different traits that vary the severity of consequences if one goes bad.

I had a weimaraner that had never been trained to hunt, but she pointed at birds and varmints in the yard like she'd been through advanced tactics classes. She naturally knew how to stalk, point, pounce, and kill critters. Similarly, I haven't met a beagle yet that didn't know how to dig or howl without ever being taught.

Individual dogs will always differ, even within a sample or population, but at the breed level, when dealing with generalities, it is fair to take the probability of having an aggressive dog and then comparing that with the probability of severe consequences from an attack (the capabilities of the dog).

There are also different lines of dogs within the same breed, and personality can be heavily influenced by genetics. There may be more docile lines of pit bull and more aggressive ones. Also, mixing breeds can have unpredictable results, but often (not always) results in the calmer breed's personality coming forward (ref: anecdotal).

The fallacy I often see (a few family members have pit mixes): a well-behaved pit is not necessarily any more representative of the breed as a whole than an aggressive one. A docile pit could be genetically predisposed to gentility, socialized and trained so that it's violent instincts are controlled, or be a ticking time bomb. An aggressive pit may remain so regardless of the time and energy put into it.

If you run across an aggressive one, the problem is their size, strength, and ferocity make them dangerous, especially around kids, those with disabilities, and the elderly. I personally have seen little yappy dogs bite far more often than big dogs, and the little ones can break skin. . . but they're often a quick snap and then retreat. . . not a lock followed by violent shaking and a death roll.

I do not believe that the press is solely responsible for the reputation of pit bulls. A lot of irresponsible pit owners and breeders bear that responsibility more than the press. Many of them create the out of control dogs and breed them for the traits that we are discussing, increasing those traits in future generations of their family lines. (I also remember in the 80's and 90's when pits had the same reputation that they do today.)

I'm not arguing against the dogs for responsible dog owners, but I do take exception to the thought that nurture (how a dog is raised) is the only variable in how they turn out.

There's a lot of science behind the fact that both German Shepherds and Dobermans were purposefully bred into family dogs with calmer temperaments and tolerance for larger "packs" in the second half of the 20th Century. Most modern family German Shepherds or Dobermans would be worthless as true industrial guard dogs. . . many LE agencies now import cousin breeds from Europe or specialized breeders. . . the mainstream lines have had their edge bred out of them. They've essentially been turned into a new breed compared to their ancestors.

The good news is that responsible breeding can quickly change the characteristics of a dog breed in less than a decade. I have no doubt that some breeders of pit bulls have done this. . . but I don't know if I'd agree it's the majority yet. I'm also not volunteering my kids to determine which ones are which.
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Re: Lubbock, TX PD dashcam: LEO quickly kills pitbull w/ 1 r

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I'm really surprised he fire in the first place. seemed like a very populated shopping center. That being said, he DID mitigate the incident by stopping the offending dog immediately with his one shot. It seemed that the owners had lost control of their dogs. I understand that this was a place that you take your dogs, but I think the whole thing could have been avoided with a little prudence from the owners (i.e, dogs that are strange to one another can and WILL get cross with each other.) Tight leash, pick em up, or leave them at home.
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Too much in-breeding of dogs leads to many health and mental problems for the dogs.
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WildBill wrote:Too much in-breeding of dogs leads to many health and mental problems for the dogs.
Not just dogs. Look at some royal families.
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smoothoperator wrote:
WildBill wrote:Too much in-breeding of dogs leads to many health and mental problems for the dogs.
Not just dogs. Look at some royal families.
This is a canine thread. Royal families are off topic. :mrgreen:
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Wanna keep your 'sweet' puppy alive? Keep it locked up and/or leashed. You can complain when the LEO breaks into your house and shoots it.
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smoothoperator wrote:
WildBill wrote:Too much in-breeding of dogs leads to many health and mental problems for the dogs.
Not just dogs. Look at some royal families.
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Don't LEO's carry billy clubs anymore? One good whack may have stopped the threat. I am guessing here but it was probably a real dogfight if they called in a LEO.
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smoothoperator wrote:
WildBill wrote:Too much in-breeding of dogs leads to many health and mental problems for the dogs.
Not just dogs. Look at some royal families.
From Midsummer Murders:

Lady Annabel Butler: Mr. Barnaby, please try not to be quite so middle class. Most of the better English families breed out now and then. Just as well. Without new blood, they'd all have been gaga generations ago.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0647513/quotes
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. . . and this story happened yesterday in DFW.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/tarrant/ ... 80811.html
After an hour on scene [investigating a 911 hangup from a cell phone], as officers were interviewing witnesses outside, a family member took three-month-old Rayden Bruce inside the residence and placed the sleeping child on a bed.

A few minutes later, screams came out of the residence and a man came out carrying the infant, who had been attacked by a pit bull.

The three month old was transported to Cook Children's Hospital in Fort Worth and was pronounced dead at 8:29 p.m.
Sorry, this is not a media invention. It is a sad, recurring story.

All dogs can bite, but not all breeds have a proclivity to attack and maul, especially unprovoked. It's not even the majority of pits that show this behavior, but it's too many in my estimation. Pits aren't the only breed, but they're probably honestly leading the numbers due to their nature and their commonality.

There's just too much risk to have one in my house. We carry our firearms to protect ourselves from dangers much more remote than the chance of a pit bull going off. What do the owners always say? "It's never done that before! It's the sweetest, most playful puppy ever! Our kids always climbed all over that dog and played with it everyday - it never showed any aggression!"

One time is too many, and in stories like this, it's too late to learn the lesson.
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I know the LEO who shot the dog and there was a lot more going on that is shown (and can be seen) in the video.

I for one am much happier that the headline did not read "child mauled to death by dog..."
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smoothoperator wrote:
WildBill wrote:Too much in-breeding of dogs leads to many health and mental problems for the dogs.
Not just dogs. Look at some royal families.
Look at some not so royal familes, too. ♫ :roll:
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