Uncle Ted being investigated by Secret service

[Dragonfighter]

Good grief. Like him or not, there is nothing in those comments that should be construed as a threat. I am sure he is worried that if the current administration remains in place he will be in jail or dead. This very forum is frought with citations of an ever more totalitarian government that marks most of its members as potential terror threats.

As to the allegorical political rhetoric, do I need to cite the thousands of examples of bloodier imagery in politics over the last couple hundred years? How quick we are to pull back from someone when they draw a little unwanted attention. I wonder what would happen if the state did come after us, would we throw them some sacrificial lambs and pray they left us alone or would we stand as the forefathers we claim to admire?

[gemini]

Good grief. Like him or not, there is nothing in those comments that should be construed as a threat. I am sure he is worried that if the current administration remains in place he will be in jail or dead. This very forum is frought with citations of an ever more totalitarian government that marks most of its members as potential terror threats.

As to the allegorical political rhetoric, do I need to cite the thousands of examples of bloodier imagery in politics over the last couple hundred years? How quick we are to pull back from someone when they draw a little unwanted attention. I wonder what would happen if the state did come after us, would we throw them some sacrificial lambs and pray they left us alone or would we stand as the forefathers we claim to admire?

Thank you, well said.

[rwg3]

Good grief. Like him or not, there is nothing in those comments that should be construed as a threat.

"If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year"

I feel differently; there's a very definite, implied threat in those words. If I were on Obama's detail, I wouldn't be laughing at this.

What the Secret Service analysts would have to determine is whether it's a credible threat or just grandstanding - and they could drag such an investigation on for years. Don't tug on the tiger's tail to show off and claim shock if it bites back.

While I suuport Ted's right to express an opinion, I decry the increasing polarization of the political environment. The promogulation of party over all, consigns us to an ever increasing pendulum of policy and legislation that will surely lead to the sun setting on the American empire. I do hope that we can someday regain the attitude of America first and do what is best for the majority of the country. Grandstanding and vehement political discourse have been around for a very long time. It is only the last 20 + years or so that the advent of the many commenuication channels has made any action fodder for the media machines, resulting in a disproportiante exposure to any and all opinions.

[Dragonfighter]

Good grief. Like him or not, there is nothing in those comments that should be construed as a threat.

"If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year"

I feel differently; there's a very definite, implied threat in those words. If I were on Obama's detail, I wouldn't be laughing at this.

What the Secret Service analysts would have to determine is whether it's a credible threat or just grandstanding - and they could drag such an investigation on for years. Don't tug on the tiger's tail to show off and claim shock if it bites back.

It seemed to me, from what I've seen and read he was conveying a doomsday scenario that, because of what Napolitano has said she considers terror threats, would see him dead or in jail if Obama was re-elected. Paranoid? Maybe. It still doesn't change my disappointment with the tendency of some of us in the RKBA community to pull back from others because they draw some unpopular attention. Ted Nugent isn't the first.

[Oldgringo]

Good grief. Like him or not, there is nothing in those comments that should be construed as a threat.

"If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year"

I feel differently; there's a very definite, implied threat in those words. If I were on Obama's detail, I wouldn't be laughing at this.

What the Secret Service analysts would have to determine is whether it's a credible threat or just grandstanding - and they could drag such an investigation on for years. Don't tug on the tiger's tail to show off and claim shock if it bites back.

It seemed to me, from what I've seen and read he was conveying a doomsday scenario that, because of what Napolitano has said she considers terror threats, would see him dead or in jail if Obama was re-elected. Paranoid? Maybe. It still doesn't change my disappointment with the tendency of some of us in the RKBA community to pull back from others because they draw some unpopular attention. Ted Nugent isn't the first.

You ever hear of Dale Carnegie? You might ought to google him, his books and his classes. Just sayin'...

[Dragonfighter]

You ever hear of Dale Carnegie? You might ought to google him, his books and his classes. Just sayin'...

Yup. Actually attended a Dale Carnegie seminar 30 odd years ago, I forget who the speaker was. Didn't take away very much from it but I'm guessing that was your point.

[Warhammer]

Good grief. Like him or not, there is nothing in those comments that should be construed as a threat.

"If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year "

I feel differently; there's a very definite, implied threat in those words. If I were on Obama's detail, I wouldn't be laughing at this.

What the Secret Service analysts would have to determine is whether it's a credible threat or just grandstanding - and they could drag such an investigation on for years. Don't tug on the tiger's tail to show off and claim shock if it bites back.

I suppose one could read an implied threat into Ted's words, ie: "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will do something stupid against the president and as a result of my own actions I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."

Personally, I took it to be that Ted himself feels threatened by the BHO machine, ie: "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, people such as myself who dare to speak out against him will be in danger of being "quieted' or "disappeared" and I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."

If I were on Obama's team, I would certainly make a concerted effort to characterize anyone in the second category as actually being in the first.

[FishInTx]

There must be atleast a hundred quotes by our founding fathers that would be considered a "threat" to tyrants/a Government/The Government. Who should be our heroes are now depicted as, "not mormal" "loose cannons" "mentally unstable". Today Ted stands up to liberal socialists and makes a threat?, and people agree with the government on how he needs to be investigated, harrased, and or jailed. Most of our founding fathers would be under the jail house.
Gabby Giffords gets shot by a psycholiberal and now anytime somebody makes a shooting or stabbing or etc. reference the PC police show up and Big Brother gets called in. He was being facetious. Was he edgy, loud, in your face for liberty, freedom and the 2ndA..you bet. Serious for us to chop heads off?..come on. Another ploy by the left to demonize RKBA.

[pinkpistol]

"While I suuport Ted's right to express an opinion, I decry the increasing polarization of the political environment. The promogulation of party over all, consigns us to an ever increasing pendulum of policy and legislation that will surely lead to the sun setting on the American empire. I do hope that we can someday regain the attitude of America first and do what is best for the majority of the country. Grandstanding and vehement political discourse have been around for a very long time. It is only the last 20 + years or so that the advent of the many commenuication channels has made any action fodder for the media machines, resulting in a disproportiante exposure to any and all opinions."

This.

[57Coastie]

Today Ted stands up to liberal socialists and makes a threat?, and people agree with the government on how he needs to be investigated, harrased, and or jailed.

I'll thank you kindly not to put words into my mouth, neighbor

I said that anyone who says something like that can very easily be perceived to be a potential threat and I would take it very seriously were I on that security detail. Yes, I performed many threat analyses as part of my various executive protection details so I know exactly what I'm talking about - so he shouldn't be surprised if he's investigated. That's a simple statement of fact - I'm disgusted that you see that as support for harrassment and prison.

That'll show you, Andy. First time I ever knew you were a liberal socialist.

This group has finally heard from a person skilled in assessing possible threats -- one who is sensitive to what might be really meant by words, in context, instead of knowing everything there is to know on the basis of just a quick exposure. I do trust the distinction does not go completely unnoticed here.

Jim

[FishInTx]

I'll thank you kindly not to put words into my mouth, neighbor

I said that anyone who says something like that can very easily be perceived to be a potential threat and I would take it very seriously were I on that security detail. Yes, I performed many threat analyses as part of my various executive protection details so I know exactly what I'm talking about - so he shouldn't be surprised if he's investigated. That's a simple statement of fact - I'm disgusted that you see that as support for harrassment and prison.

I, specifically, did not mention anyone. I was talking in general of the entire event, not your post or even this thread. Sorry for the confusion Sir. Ofcourse the matter should be looked into. Ted welcomed the investigation by the SS, I believe. He's a little crazy but not a killer.

[Oldgringo]

You ever hear of Dale Carnegie? You might ought to google him, his books and his classes. Just sayin'...

Yup. Actually attended a Dale Carnegie seminar 30 odd years ago, I forget who the speaker was. Didn't take away very much from it but I'm guessing that was your point.

I, too, took the course some three dozen years ago. There are those who've asked if I passed or not?

Actually, I was suggesting that Nugent might have some interest in the the course. You know, the part about 'attracting more bees with honey rather than with vinegar'...if he's seriously interested in our 2A RKBA. If he's just grandstanding, nevermind...

[speedsix]

Good grief. Like him or not, there is nothing in those comments that should be construed as a threat.

"If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year"

I feel differently; there's a very definite, implied threat in those words. If I were on Obama's detail, I wouldn't be laughing at this.

What the Secret Service analysts would have to determine is whether it's a credible threat or just grandstanding - and they could drag such an investigation on for years. Don't tug on the tiger's tail to show off and claim shock if it bites back.

It seemed to me, from what I've seen and read he was conveying a doomsday scenario that, because of what Napolitano has said she considers terror threats, would see him dead or in jail if Obama was re-elected. Paranoid? Maybe. It still doesn't change my disappointment with the tendency of some of us in the RKBA community to pull back from others because they draw some unpopular attention. Ted Nugent isn't the first.

You ever hear of Dale Carnegie? You might ought to google him, his books and his classes. Just sayin'...

...remember who he's talking about...talking nicely doesn't work with emotionally based idiots who have proven over decades that they'll lie, cheat, and slap their mommas to take our rights from us...the best hope is to make enough VOTERS both aware and angry that we turn it around at the polls...which was his intent...social graces are deteriorating as they give more and more of our country away...and take more and more of what makes us Americans from us...either we stop it at the polls...or start printing "Remember Bunker Hill" tshirts...or just roll over, grumble a little, and take what they give us...