CHL, Vehicle and Adult Beverage Question

[Oldgringo]

I am amazed at how many of you can afford to order adult beverages. Good night nurse... They are getting almost three bucks for a darned ice tea these days. What does a real drink cost? Five or ten bucks? I don't do beer... It taste like urin. But I do like a good mixed drink or even a single malt served neat. I bet I would have to spend fifty bucks to get a buzz. Yep... Economics keeps me from having to be worried with this issue.

Last time I did go out to drink... I left the ole weapon at home. I didn't want to get caught with it if I got in a bar fight... Lol.

I better add in... The bar fight comment was a joke. I'm one of those guys that get drunk and want to be everyone's buddy.

So, alcohol changes your personality for the BETTER!!
(Just teasing.)

I don't know about 03Lightningrocks or anyone else, but I get better looking and more eloquently suave, aware and virile after an adult beverage or three. That's a fact...isn't it?

[03Lightningrocks]

I am amazed at how many of you can afford to order adult beverages. Good night nurse... They are getting almost three bucks for a darned ice tea these days. What does a real drink cost? Five or ten bucks? I don't do beer... It taste like urin. But I do like a good mixed drink or even a single malt served neat. I bet I would have to spend fifty bucks to get a buzz. Yep... Economics keeps me from having to be worried with this issue.

Last time I did go out to drink... I left the ole weapon at home. I didn't want to get caught with it if I got in a bar fight... Lol.

I better add in... The bar fight comment was a joke. I'm one of those guys that get drunk and want to be everyone's buddy.

So, alcohol changes your personality for the BETTER!!
(Just teasing.)

I don't know about 03Lightningrocks or anyone else, but I get better looking and more eloquently suave, aware and virile after an adult beverage or three. That's a fact...isn't it?

What a coincidence! Me too! Then I take a bathroom break, see myself in the mirror and reality sets back in...lol.

[Keith B]

I don't know about 03Lightningrocks or anyone else, but I get better looking and more eloquently suave, aware and virile after an adult beverage or three. That's a fact...isn't it?

What a coincidence! Me too! Then I take a bathroom break, see myself in the mirror and reality sets back in...lol.

Two phrases come to mind here: 'Beer goggles' and 'Ten foot tall and bullet proof'

[speedsix]

That's also true for driving. The definition of intoxication is the same.

Yes, 49.01 is the Texas definition of intoxicated for multiple statutes.

We're in agreement. I was responding to the comment from wgoforth.

Funny that we're on page 8 and some people still don't (refuse to?) understand the law,
even though the correct answer was posted way back on page 1.

...I've taken government tests all my life for this license or job or whatever...they OFTEN have questions such as this, where the "correct" answer is NOT the right answer...wgoforth is not disputing what's correct...he's telling us that the powers that be have decided that they want a different(more restrictive) one to be the "right" one...when you ask an instructor about why this one or one like it was counted wrong...he'll just say "You passed...don't worry about it"...and that's about all you can do...

...it's not a bad thing in this case to err on the side of caution...

[speedsix]

Keep in mind questions are asked on the test about the use of alcohol, and regardless of what we think, there is only one answer they want.

Not trying to be a wise elleck here but, what answer do they want? I can't remember the test.

I doubt they want me to post any test questions and answers... but they do want you to be able to say there is no legal minimum of alcohol you may have and carry, and that is simply in my instructors manual as to what to teach in that portion.

And, that is technically correct. The definition is 'intoxicated', BUT, a legal limit DOES exist. And if you want to see the EXACT definition of what 'intoxicated' is for a CHL holder is, then look here in
Texas Government Code 411.171 (Subchapter H) (6)

SUBCHAPTER H. LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN
Sec. 411.171. DEFINITIONS.
In this subchapter:
(6) "Intoxicated" has the meaning assigned by Section 49.01, Penal Code.

And

Penal Code 49.01 says:

§ 49.01. DEFINITIONS.
In this chapter:

(2) "Intoxicated" means:
(A) not having the normal use of mental or
physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a
controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of
two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the
body; or
(B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more.

So, while you can be intoxicated and not have a specific limit of alcohol in your system, there is a threshold of .08 BAC where you ARE defined as intoxicated, no matter.

...I know this to be a fair way to look at it because if I came home from work and drank a beer, it would have a much stronger effect on my mind than if I drank one with supper...I could feel the difference...one person might drink three and feel no differently or act differently than when he/she was sober...under (A), it's specific to the person...under (B)...it applies to everyone...

[Keith B]

...I know this to be a fair way to look at it because if I came home from work and drank a beer, it would have a much stronger effect on my mind than if I drank one with supper...I could feel the difference...one person might drink three and feel no differently or act differently than when he/she was sober...under (A), it's specific to the person...under (B)...it applies to everyone...

Yes, as cops, you and I have both seen how different individuals react to different levels of alcohol alone. I have seen people who were 'tipsy' with .04 BAC, and I have seen the seasoned alcoholic who was driving fairly well and literally blew a .42 BAC. Everyone is different on what they can handle and function, and everyone will have differences from one day to the next due to physical condition (level of rest, amount of food intake, stress, etc. etc. The main reason for the discretion on the officer's part is the ability to determine someone is intoxicated from undetectable additives in the system and/or those other factors that may enhance the affect of a small amount of alcohol.

Bottom line, even one drop of alcohol DOES impede your system, as does anything else you put in it, but the effects are so minuscule that there will be no apparent degradation of faculties. The more you add, then more you are impacted.

[Alf]

...I've taken government tests all my life for this license or job or whatever...they OFTEN have questions such as this, where the "correct" answer is NOT the right answer...wgoforth is not disputing what's correct...he's telling us that the powers that be have decided that they want a different(more restrictive) one to be the "right" one...when you ask an instructor about why this one or one like it was counted wrong...he'll just say "You passed...don't worry about it"...and that's about all you can do...

...it's not a bad thing in this case to err on the side of caution...

That's why I tell everyone not to carry in church. We all know the law requires a specific sign to make a church off limits like the law has a specific definition for being intoxicated. But either way if you get a cop or prosecutor who doesn't know the whole law, you could have a lot of legal headaches. It's better to err on the side of caution.

[speedsix]

...no, no, no...don't do that...why would you tell them not to excercise a right that's specifically spelled out in the written law, and the law was written to benefit all of us who CHL??? we need to stand up and do what the law allows...else why do we bother having it??? You could get a cop or prosecutor who is opinionated about not going through a stop sign till it turns green...but you surely wouldn't let their problem keep you from driving...

...yes, they could, and may again, cause us legal headaches, but there are remedies for that...I won't live like a rabbit in a hole because they might not like me standing up straight...we shouldn't tell others to, either...in this particular example...I wouldn't want to have someone I knew killed in a church some Sunday along with others...and have someone ask me "Why did you tell me not to be armed???"

[sjfcontrol]

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That's why I tell everyone not to carry in church. We all know the law requires a specific sign to make a church off limits like the law has a specific definition for being intoxicated. But either way if you get a cop or prosecutor who doesn't know the whole law, you could have a lot of legal headaches. It's better to err on the side of caution.

You might as well tell them not to carry anywhere, cause they might run into a LEO that thinks it's illegal. Banks, restaurants serving alcohol, public school parking lots, strip-mall carnivals, etc. We even had a LEO in a basic-pistol class (he lost a bet ) who thought CHL's couldn't carry past gun-buster signs.

[Ameer]

...no, no, no...don't do that...why would you tell them not to excercise a right that's specifically spelled out in the written law, and the law was written to benefit all of us who CHL??? we need to stand up and do what the law allows...else why do we bother having it??? You could get a cop or prosecutor who is opinionated about not going through a stop sign till it turns green...but you surely wouldn't let their problem keep you from driving...

It's true if you're not intoxicated then it's legal to drive and carry. Maybe not smart in either case but it's legal for now.

[jmra]

...no, no, no...don't do that...why would you tell them not to excercise a right that's specifically spelled out in the written law, and the law was written to benefit all of us who CHL??? we need to stand up and do what the law allows...else why do we bother having it??? You could get a cop or prosecutor who is opinionated about not going through a stop sign till it turns green...but you surely wouldn't let their problem keep you from driving...

It's true if you're not intoxicated then it's legal to drive and carry. Maybe not smart in either case but it's legal for now.

Speed wasn't suggesting that you exercise your right to drink and carry. He was suggesting you exercise your legal right to carry in church.

[Ameer]

The subject is "CHL, Vehicle and Adult Beverage Question" last time I checked.

[speedsix]

...we're workin' on the CHL aspect...real hard, with mention of the Vehicle part...go have an Adult Beverage and check back in...

[wgoforth]

I thought this was about whether we can conceal in a church service while partaking of fermented fruit of the vine in the communion at a church building which has a gun buster sign posted on the back door??

[WildBill]

I thought this was about whether we can conceal in a church service while partaking of fermented fruit of the vine in the communion at a church building which has a gun buster sign posted on the back door??

As long as there isn't a 51% sign on the front door.