CHL, Vehicle and Adult Beverage Question

[speedsix]

...I'd liken that to if you're on your own property carrying as an unlicensed citizen...I'd tell him gently and ask him was he giving me permission(direction) to remain armed, or did he prefer my weapon be left in the car...or in my house...before I stepped onto public property to talk with him...he can give that permission...or deny it...

[Ameer]

When did a police officer get the authority to give people permission to break the law? Maybe in Louisiana if you pay the right "fee" but it's different in Texas.

[WildBill]

When did a police officer get the authority to give people permission to break the law? Maybe in Louisiana if you pay the right "fee" but it's different in Texas.

They never have the authority to give permission to break the law. They have some discretion whether or not to site you.

The next time you get pulled over for a traffic violation and get a warning, be sure to tell the officer that he has no right to give you a warning and he has to write a ticket. I am sure that he will honor your request.

[speedsix]

When did a police officer get the authority to give people permission to break the law? Maybe in Louisiana if you pay the right "fee" but it's different in Texas.

...a Texas peace officer can direct you to do a lot of things, from drive through a red light without stopping to pulling up on someone's grass...to holding a gun on someone to shooting someone...

...and what's this about you paying a "fee" to do what we're talking about???that one didn't get tied in very well, did it...it IS different in Texas...and that's why I was talking about Texas, where we are, instead of LA, where we are not...

[speedsix]

When did a police officer get the authority to give people permission to break the law? Maybe in Louisiana if you pay the right "fee" but it's different in Texas.

They never have the authority to give permission to break the law. They have some discretion whether or not to site you.

The next time you get pulled over for a traffic violation and get a warning, be sure to tell the officer that he has no right to give you a warning and he has to write a ticket. I am sure that he will honor your request.

...at a police officer's direction you can indeed do many things that if you did them yourself would be breaking the law...and he DOES HAVE the authority...how about sending in a citizen or a youth to make a drug or alcohol buy??? how about turning right across three lanes of traffic to clear the road? how about assisting him in an arrest when it would be illegal to do what he says to do otherwise?

...where is this coming from about citing you and having a right to give me a warning and such??? just happened to have that one rattlin' around and needed a place to stick it??? it sure doesn't fit here...

[tomjh]

I think this thread has officially become hijacked.

[WildBill]

When did a police officer get the authority to give people permission to break the law? Maybe in Louisiana if you pay the right "fee" but it's different in Texas.

...a Texas peace officer can direct you to do a lot of things, from drive through a red light without stopping to pulling up on someone's grass...to holding a gun on someone to shooting someone...

...and what's this about you paying a "fee" to do what we're talking about???that one didn't get tied in very well, did it...it IS different in Texas...and that's why I was talking about Texas, where we are, instead of LA, where we are not...

I think "fee" is a euphemism for "under the table payment" which is a euphemism for bribe.

[speedsix]

...thank you, WildBill, now I understand what you meant...
...at any rate, and regardless of examples...if you were carrying under MPA concealed on your person, and told the officer, he would have the authority to tell you to step on out and leave it on your person while you did business if he wanted you to......and, in Texas, I wouldn't hesitate to do so, because of the quality of our LEOs...

[WildBill]

...thank you, WildBill, now I understand what you meant...
...at any rate, and regardless of examples...if you were carrying under MPA concealed on your person, and told the officer, he would have the authority to tell you to step on out and leave it on your person while you did business if he wanted you to......and, in Texas, I wouldn't hesitate to do so, because of the quality of our LEOs...

As much as I like arguing with you I will try to gracefully slip out of this thread.

[gigag04]

[03Lightningrocks]

Maybe he was opposed to alcohol himself?

If what you are saying is accurate, I would have to say yes.


IANAL, and you should research and confirm all facts yourself:

(d) A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed.

which means....

2) "Intoxicated" means:

(A) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or

(B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more.

Notice that it can A OR B. This topic has been endlessly debated here. Typically the folks that don't drink at all anyhow will advise you not to drink at all. The folks that do drink will argue what "Intoxicated" means. The there are a few of us that like sit back a drink a beer to see how things pan out.


Everyone makes there own choices, and these are only the choices I believe are correct for me.

At home- do what I want, drink what I want, carry all the time. A Gun is just like any other tool. I am not going to drink 6 beers and play with my chainsaw, but I won't let having a few beers keep me from using my chainsaw to free my family from a dangerous situation.

If I am going out to dinner- have my limit, stay safe, drive safe, carry all the time.

If I am going out "drinking" - lock my gun up, don't drive, don't carry. Beyond the 51% signage issue, there is just no reason to be in public, intoxicated, with a gun. I have zero worries about how I will handle myself, but I don't want to get in a wrestling match, shoving, or even a excited discussion with someone who can't handle there liquor and risk them getting a hold of my gun.



I made all these decisions years ago, and they have worked out pretty well...so far.

I would have to say I agree with you. Mostly I wanted to point out how much I loved the "chain saw" analogy.

[WildBill]

u still mad?

I was never mad at speedsix. At least not is this thread.

I had temporarily forgotten that he used to work as an LEO so I didn't read his comments from that point of view. After reading them again I can understand where he is coming from.

I think this thread has officially become hijacked.

As far as leaving, I agree with tomjh that the thread has drifted far from the question about "Adult Beverages".

[speedsix]

...be lookin for a Tshirt in the mail that says ONLY...my suave and debonair personality makes folks mad sometimes...which reminds me of one of my favorite Eagles songs...
...it's hard to be mad when you own a fine Colt pocket piece, you gotta admit...

[speedsix]

u still mad?

I was never mad at speedsix. At least not is this thread.

I had temporarily forgotten that he used to work as an LEO so I didn't read his comments from that point of view. After reading them again I can understand where he is coming from.

I think this thread has officially become hijacked.

As far as leaving, I agree with tomjh that the thread has drifted far from the question about "Adult Beverages".

...we'd settled the Beverages part about page 4 and were workin' hard on the CHL and Vehicle parts...be patient...

[03Lightningrocks]

Please don't lock this thread. The chain saw analogy will be lost forever! I don't think I can live with that.