Personal Defense Ammo

[stash]

Thanks for the good info MoJo and speedsix. I think I will load my 642 with the BB which I already have, but will try to find some of the Rem.

[blackopstx]

I've seen those reviews on the penetration power and to me that's a strong selling point. If someone's in your house and you have to stop the threat, do you want a high velocity .45 or .40 round going through the intruder into your kids room, or out of your control? The rbcd round does the maximum amount of damage without over penetration. The other point of contention was that it's a hollow point with a silicon ball underneath it therefore making it a substandard round? Again the internals I feel have little do to with the effectiveness and devastation of the round....you don't really know what's in a hotdog but it's damn good right? I really feel the best way for you to find out, as I did because I was skeptical about such expensive ammo too, buy a box of your favorite caliber,go to a hispanic meat market and buy a half pig, get to someones property, and test round for round what your favorite HP does Vs. Rbcd....You will see an appreciable difference for it's stopping/damage/destruction power.

[olafpfj]

I've seen those reviews on the penetration power and to me that's a strong selling point. If someone's in your house and you have to stop the threat, do you want a high velocity .45 or .40 round going through the intruder into your kids room, or out of your control? The rbcd round does the maximum amount of damage without over penetration. The other point of contention was that it's a hollow point with a silicon ball underneath it therefore making it a substandard round? Again the internals I feel have little do to with the effectiveness and devastation of the round....you don't really know what's in a hotdog but it's darn good right? I really feel the best way for you to find out, as I did because I was skeptical about such expensive ammo too, buy a box of your favorite caliber,go to a hispanic meat market and buy a half pig, get to someones property, and test round for round what your favorite HP does Vs. Rbcd....You will see an appreciable difference for it's stopping/damage/destruction power.

Welcome to the forum. What's with the sales pitch?

[Matt78665]

For the 40S&W - Hornady Critical Defense 165 gr FTX

[blackopstx]

Thank You for the welcome, no sales pitch here just prefer the best of the best when my life's on the line. Believe me I was just as skeptical as some of you have indicated but you can read articles and reviews till your blue in the face...as with most things experience is paramount to forming an educated consensus re: this stuff. At the same time absolutely carry and shot what your comfortable with, this stuff is impressive and the cost/benefit is unrivaled in my opinion!

[snatchel]

.......still sounds like a sales pitch. YMMV

[blackopstx]

Well snatch,

like I said shoot with what your comfortable with, once again no sales pitch here! I'm one of those weird guys who likes gimmicky things like- a high ftps, coupled with impressive stopping power noted in the width and depth of a wound channel, and a round that has a lower propensity for over penetration of a threat.....but that's just me, seems like these qualifications would be a standard bearer for an excellent Personal Defense Round. I've shot tons of different game in addition to cow/pig parts and it is unrivaled......BTW What do you look for in an ultimate Personal Defense Round? What is your "best"?

[TheMilkMan]

That image is awesome, who is the artist?

As far as a load, 230gr 45ACP +p Federal HST for me. It has shot reliably and accurately for me thus far. The bullets look pretty as well... even more so when expanded.

[Blindref757]

I'm packing 9mm Zombie Max here!

[blackopstx]

The artist is H.R. Giger a swiss surrealist painter who actually won an Academy Award for Visual Effects in the Movie Alien, he does really cool stuff........just wanted to reach out and see some ballistic data on the stuff people like to have as PDA because if it's better than rbcd, I'd like to grab some! Hope everyone has a good weekend! Blackopstx out

[snatchel]

Thank You for the welcome, no sales pitch here just prefer the best of the best when my life's on the line. Believe me I was just as skeptical as some of you have indicated but you can read articles and reviews till your blue in the face...as with most things experience is paramount to forming an educated consensus re: this stuff. At the same time absolutely carry and shot what your comfortable with, this stuff is impressive and the cost/benefit is unrivaled in my opinion!

Well.. since you asked...

I dont carry a gun. I just take my wife with me everywhere... her fury is more intimidating and reliable than any gun or ammo I have ever used

No .. in all seriousness, Hornady Critical Defense. They shoot well everytime. They perform great in ballistics. I carry a lot of them... Should be ok

[DallasSVT]

Hornady Critical Defense

9MM CD

115gr. 1135/FPS 329/FLBS

RBCD

9MM TPD

50gr. 2300/FPS 590/FLBS 7" Cavity Diameter 10" Penetration


That's my only sales picth....

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[snatchel]

From my limited experience with RBCD Ammunition ... This is the conclusion I have come to:

RBCD will inflict about as much damage as bird shot out of a shotgun. Basically, because of the immediate fragmentation on contact, it dices up and creates a nice big shallow wound.. a whole lot like bird shot would. The penetration just isn't where I feel it should be for effective use in self defense.

Your username implies that you are former military, specifically black-ops. I won't argue that, but I do ask why someone of your experience would accept a round that repeatedly proves not to penetrate soft tissue more than 8-10 inches? As much as I hated FMJ stuff in the military (Saw too many direct hits go right through guys... and they kept fighting), at least it penetrated to their vitals. This is the deciding factor to incapacitate.... unless you get lucky, manage to not hit bone.. and shoot someone in the back, I don't feel confident that RBCD would do the job.