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For a little higher cost, would you purchase 'Made in America' items exclusively?

Yes
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76%
No
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24%
 
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Re: Made in America

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PBratton wrote:Just a quick question... If we all started to purchase only :patriot:'Made in America' :patriot: items, would it help the US economy?
No. It might if the words Made in America actually meant that. Just b/c something says made in America does not mean it actually was.
PBratton wrote:Sure, we'd pay a little more for the items we buy, but we'd be supporting our own, wouldn't we?
As someone already stated, probably not. They would still fire Joe who makes $10 an hour to hire Don Juan from Mexico and pay him 5.75 an hour. And then he sends his paycheck down to Mexico supporting their economy, not ours.
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Re: Made in America

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The downside of this is that certain items would cost more than a "little more" if they were made in America. Clothing might well cost two or three times as much, due to the hand labor involved in cutting and sewing. That is not "a little more".
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American industry has pretty much abandoned anything made in quantity that sells for under $200.
There just isn't the money in it. No sense making something if there is no profit, so why not make something for which there is little or no competition, or for which cost is a non-issue.
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I've been involved in global sourcing for some pretty huge electronics manufacturers. My educated opinion is that "a little more" would be 10% on stuff with little labor content (steel pipe, for example) and 30 to 100+% for high-labor-content, low-tech work (sewing/clothing)... These numbers are WHOLESALE price changes. Assuming a similar distribution chain (manufacturer or importer to national, then regional, then local distribution then to retail), the total change in price could be much higher after compounding all the markups at each step.

Your $800 47" LCD TV currently made in China, Taiwan, Thailand or Korea would cost several thousand dollars if made 100% in USA... from components to final assembly.
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fishman wrote:I wish the poll showed more people would buy u.s.a. It sure matters to me. :patriot:
I was surprised to find my "American-Made" Ruger LC9 with factory magazines made in France.
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Re: Made in America

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All of you who marked yes better go through and clean out your gun safes, underwear drawers, and watch collections.


Oh, turn off your computers...


With today's global economy, few things will ever be produced solely in one country.
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I found a website selling Made in America dress shirts. Unfortunately, I cannot afford $149 shirts... :shock: I buy USA when it makes sense and I can afford it. Some models of New Balance shoes are "Made in USA", but materials may come from overseas. Since I'm cheap, I buy last years NB models at 60%.

The long term inflation average is 3.43% meaning prices will double about every 20 years. My pay has increased, but it sure hasn't doubled every 20 years. I don't know what the answers are, but my bank account recognizes the symptoms.
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I've often thought that if another global war to break out that the US would not have the industrial might to support, or even defend itself. We have a faint shadow of the industry available that we had during WWI & WWII.

Could the US mobilize as it has in the past?
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Re: Made in America

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By the way, I would not want a "Made in USA" PPK, made by Smith and Wesson under license from Carl Walther. I want the original, German-made version. A German-made PPK from the used gun counter will probably be much better made and more reliable than the new, S&W version.
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Well, I guess I will just turn up the heat on this one, and then head off to bed. My Toyota Tacoma pickup was (mostly) made a few years ago here in the USA, in a California factory that has since closed down. Was that buying American? Or a Honda Civic made in Indiana? Is that buying American? OR, what about buying a Dodge car, truck, or van that was made in Canada or Mexico? Is that buying American? There are a FEW things that are made SOLELY in America (Ruger SR1911, IIRC), but in the world we live in today, as someone pointed out above, most things are multi-national. Its not always something I love, but it is reality. There are ways to reverse a lot of that, but most people don't want those things to happen (such as lowering wages here to be competitive with countries who have lower wages, or lowering corporate tax rates to be competitive with other countries who have lower rates, or removing costly regulations that might make things safer or cleaner) for various reasons. "Winning" isn't always easy or painless...but that is the way folks want things to be these days, they want to have their cake and to eat it too...and if you tell them otherwise, they often get really mad at you and call you foul names. I promise you, I am NOT some big-time investor, corporate officer, or old-money heir (not that I really care too much about what those folks have). In light of all of that, which is better: having a manufacturing job that just pays okay, but not great OR fighting for a slot at a Mickey D's flipping burgers? And that having been said, 2 (devalued) dollars worth spent, I'm out. Night all...

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Re: Made in America

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I try to buy American whenever I can, but what IS "Made in America" these days?

I had a discussion with a colleague at work when I bought a Toyota Avalon - he gave me some grief for buying a "foreign" car, even though it was designed at Toyota's offices in California, engineered at Toyota's offices in Detroit, and built of (mostly) US-sourced parts in Kentucky. The funny thing is, the guy had just bought a Pontiac GTO . . . styled, engineered, built and imported from Australia! And I challenge anyone to find a "US brand" car that DOESN'T contain foreign components . . . often major ones, like engine & transmission.

I'll soon have to buy a new toaster, as the one I've got is acting up . . . someone PLEASE direct me to a four-slice model that's made in the USA, as even the "European" brands I've seen all seem to be "Made in China."
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HankB wrote:I'll soon have to buy a new toaster, as the one I've got is acting up . . . someone PLEASE direct me to a four-slice model that's made in the USA, as even the "European" brands I've seen all seem to be "Made in China."
I found this comment last night during my quest for a quality manual can opener. It seems that the Swing-a-Way opener that most everyone is familiar with moved their production to China in 2005. Where the USA made ones would last years, the China version is lucky to last six months. Same with other brands. Found an expensive USA model. It showed delivery in months.
"There is still a toaster MADE IN THE USA. It's made by Star Mfg in MO, actually their toasters are made in TN. These are heavy duty restaurant quality units. Our 4 slice weighs about 20 lbs, so keep that in mind in terms of storage, lifting etc.
We have the ST04 model, which I think has been replaced with a newer model designation, but I checked with the rep today and she said they are still made in TN.

They can be repaired even at a restaurant repair facility if need be, you can actually buy parts for them as well! Imagine! Of course the bad news, they are not cheap.

I think the 2 slice model is around $350 and the 4 slice $550 online. We actually picked up ours used on ebay for about $150...
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Re: Made in America

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fishman wrote:I wish the poll showed more people would buy u.s.a. It sure matters to me. :patriot:
All else being equal, I'll buy "Made in America" every time, but all else isn't necessarily equal (and I'm not just talking about the price). Italian parmesan cheese is superior to every American brand I've tried, for example. For gun-related content, I've heard a lot of people assert that the Sigs made entirely in Germany are better than the ones made in Exeter, NH.
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Especially where clothing is concerned, Made in America often means made in island sweatshops by workers in deplorable conditions. Notably the Marianas which you may recall from the Jack Abramoff show.
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Re: Made in America

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I drive a vehicle that was entirely made in Japan, so perhaps I'm not one to talk.... but even "made in America" doesn't really count if it really just means "assembled in America." When I was a kid, the Big Three in detroit didn't just assemble the cars on their factory floors; they bought car body parts from other domestic American manufacturers, electronic and engine peripherals from still other manufacturers, wheels, sparkplugs, and upholstery from still other American manufacturers, etc., etc., etc.

My son's Pontiac G8 GT has an LS2/LS3 motor made in the U.S., and a body and chassis made in Australia, and was "hecho in Mexico." Until we get back to the point where domestic manufacturers use domestically manufactured parts and subassemblies, we'll never get back to where we used to be. Global economies are all well and good, but look at what manufacturers from other countries are doing. Are BMWs manufactured in Germany still being delivered with Bosch spark plugs? I can tell you that my made-in-Japan Pathfinder was delivered with Nippon Denso spark plugs.

When it comes time to replace my Pathfinder (hopefully never), I will likely try to buy American first, but I have to say right up front that I'll never buy a GM so long as A) the federal government remains a stock holder, and B) their union continues to get the "screw-the-taxpayer" sweet deal. I refuse to be a party to that kind of corruption. And I won't buy junk, regardless of how patriotic it might be to do so. I can't afford junk.

The Japanese manufacturers got their foot in the door in the U.S. by offering more economical products with superior quality and reliability at that price point. The Big Three had taken the American consumer for granted for far too long, and it pretty much caught up with them. I remember when it became common knowledge that all three practiced an obsolescence cycle of only 6 years. I remember thinking that was highway robbery. You buy the second most expensive purchase of your life, and the builder PLANNED for it to only last 6 years? That's when I quit giving a rip what happened to the Big Three.

Rolls Royce built cars that came with a lifetime warranty. Sure, they cost more, but the fact is that one Rolls Royce back then would cost you less over your lifetime than a whole series of worn out American cars. Now, not everybody then or now can afford the buy-in for a Rolls. But, when an American manufacturer deliberately plans for your car to fall apart within the time frame that you'll still be making payments on it, that is unconscionable. They don't deserve your business if that is their business model, because screwing the customer is just as unAmerican as buying imports.

Now, when it comes time to replace my vehicle, if I can get an American vehicle comparable to my Pathfinder (2002), with 4 wheel drive, adequate power and adequate room, that will still be running reliably at 130K+ miles and 9 years later with low maintenance requirements, I'd be very interested. Maybe by then my Pathfinder might have 260K on the clock. :mrgreen:
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