fickman wrote:Sadly, when you consider the way the news outlets in our state reported EVERYWHERE on the Campus Carry verbiage being amended to the other bill, and how virtually none of them reported that the bill failed, I'm worried that:
1) there could be a lot of people who assume it passed, and
2) trying to Google campus carry will now pull up all of the news reports of it almost passing (when it seemed sure to), and researching this topic accurately is now a little harder to do. . . it probably requires drilling a little farther down than a lot of people will do.
Your right! Nothing reports that it failed(the source of my error) so I assumed that I was ok to carry everywhere on campus. Posted on the the forum to be positive. I wouldn't have carried on if I wasn't. Best thing to do is to actually search for the bill and review it on the Tex leg site!
Mel wrote:"No!" may not count, but it did accurately answer the original question.
The original question did not ask "Why?"
Hahaha in fact it didn't. I can carry on campus. Just not in buildings..
You may want to be careful though; as a student they can't prosecute you for carrying on campus (not premise), but they sure can terminate your enrollment if it violates the school policy. Safety from being expelled due to carrying was what the Campus Carry bill would have provided on top of access to the buildings.
This is what ticked me off so much about this bill not passing. I attend a smaller "institute of higher learning" at the present time (expanding my military experience into a civilian certification). I'll probably take some heat for this from several members, but I wasn't even that darned concerned about carrying inside the building. I just don't want the school to be able to boot me out for having it in my car...and I'm really irritated and frustrated about NOT having it when I am out and about after school because of this. Those of us who took the time to attend class, learn the laws, pass the background checks, pay the fees so that the other taxpayers don't have to, WE aren't the problem. The problem is all of those who DON'T care about the law and simply do it anyway, they are the hazard to others...I know I'm preaching to the choir, as they say...but the actions of a few folks in state politics really have chapped my hide on this one. Sorry to rant...I know many folks on here worked hard to make it happen and to see that hard work tossed down the drain...bleh.
Regarding your specific question about Texas State University, they're the only University in Texas that does allow carry and has no policy against carrying from what I remember. The recent law that died regarding Campus Carry forbade Universities from having policies against carrying, but Texas State never had such a policy anyways.
Gen7Texan wrote:Regarding your specific question about Texas State University, they're the only University in Texas that does allow carry and has no policy against carrying from what I remember. The recent law that died regarding Campus Carry forbade Universities from having policies against carrying, but Texas State never had such a policy anyways.
No, under current law it is illegal to carry into a campus building no matter what the policy manual states. The only exception to this is if you have specific written authorization by the university to carry. If Texas State was routinely granting this permission, I think we would have heard about it by now.
05yuk wrote:You are allowed to have it locked in your car. You can also walk through a campus carrying as long as you do not go into a building.
Not 100% sure if that was directed at the OP or to me (since my post was above)...but the institution that I attend has, in their handbook, a "no weapons" policy, to include in vehicles. AND, since there is also a law enforcement training building that shares our parking lot, AND they have the dog training as well, it is entirely conceivable that a dog might sniff out a firearm locked in a vehicle. I need this certification I'm attending for to go back to doing what I did in the USAF (fixing airplanes), and though my safety is obviously important to me, I've done risky things to "accomplish the mission" before. I hate it, I promise you...but I literally cannot afford to get kicked out of school due to some "progressive minded campus safety policy". I appreciate the info, though.
Gen7Texan wrote:Regarding your specific question about Texas State University, they're the only University in Texas that does allow carry and has no policy against carrying from what I remember. The recent law that died regarding Campus Carry forbade Universities from having policies against carrying, but Texas State never had such a policy anyways.
No, under current law it is illegal to carry into a campus building no matter what the policy manual states. The only exception to this is if you have specific written authorization by the university to carry. If Texas State was routinely granting this permission, I think we would have heard about it by now.
Almost but not quite how I read the law, Brian. I do agree that the lack of a policy forbidding firearms is not permission to carry, but it does not require specific written authorization for each individual. If the university (or other school) had any written policy saying firearms were allowed, it would be good enough. The exact wording of the law is: "unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution". To me, this means that if the student handbook did say any CHL could carry, then they all could.
If I am misunderstanding what you wrote, I apologize. But the way you wrote it, I took it to mean that each individual would need to be granted specific permission, which is not true.
Gen7Texan wrote:Regarding your specific question about Texas State University, they're the only University in Texas that does allow carry and has no policy against carrying from what I remember. The recent law that died regarding Campus Carry forbade Universities from having policies against carrying, but Texas State never had such a policy anyways.
No, under current law it is illegal to carry into a campus building no matter what the policy manual states. The only exception to this is if you have specific written authorization by the university to carry. If Texas State was routinely granting this permission, I think we would have heard about it by now.
Almost but not quite how I read the law, Brian. I do agree that the lack of a policy forbidding firearms is not permission to carry, but it does not require specific written authorization for each individual. If the university (or other school) had any written policy saying firearms were allowed, it would be good enough. The exact wording of the law is: "unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution". To me, this means that if the student handbook did say any CHL could carry, then they all could.
If I am misunderstanding what you wrote, I apologize. But the way you wrote it, I took it to mean that each individual would need to be granted specific permission, which is not true.
That is the way I wrote it, but you're right, they can give a blanket authorization through the written regulation provision.
fickman wrote:Sadly, when you consider the way the news outlets in our state reported EVERYWHERE on the Campus Carry verbiage being amended to the other bill, and how virtually none of them reported that the bill failed, I'm worried that:
1) there could be a lot of people who assume it passed, and
2) trying to Google campus carry will now pull up all of the news reports of it almost passing (when it seemed sure to), and researching this topic accurately is now a little harder to do. . . it probably requires drilling a little farther down than a lot of people will do.
I see that as a good thing for us. If most people think it has already passed they will pay little attention in 2013 when we are able to pass it with little or no exceptions. Especially since the media should be reporting on the Constitutional Carry bill that will "allow criminals to carry atomic ray guns and wave machine guns around elementary school rooms". If we go all out we will see all these little privilege based bills pass in my opinion.
fickman wrote:Sadly, when you consider the way the news outlets in our state reported EVERYWHERE on the Campus Carry verbiage being amended to the other bill, and how virtually none of them reported that the bill failed, I'm worried that:
1) there could be a lot of people who assume it passed, and
2) trying to Google campus carry will now pull up all of the news reports of it almost passing (when it seemed sure to), and researching this topic accurately is now a little harder to do. . . it probably requires drilling a little farther down than a lot of people will do.
I see that as a good thing for us. If most people think it has already passed they will pay little attention in 2013 when we are able to pass it with little or no exceptions. Especially since the media should be reporting on the Constitutional Carry bill that will "allow criminals to carry atomic ray guns and wave machine guns around elementary school rooms". If we go all out we will see all t hese little privilege based bills pass in my opinion.
I definitely agree that if the general public assumes it's already passed, there may not be as much shock and resistance next time. . . let's just pray that no less-than-attentive CHLers get busted because their buddy told them he saw it on the news that it's legal to carry to class now. We certainly don't need that kind of publicity.
I've carried on campus (but not in buildings) at Texas State. No one noticed.
Abzc and I might have some mutual friends on Facebook, because I also saw several erroneous statuses about how Campus Carry had passed into law, when in fact it had just passed out of committee at that point.
"When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden. The one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream." - speedsix
