CHL Fires at Waffle House Robbers (What Would You Do?)

[Oldgringo]

I drove by that Waffle House today and there was a fire truck and two HPD cars in the parking lot.

They must like the food too.

...or it's a really good place to smoke...

[WildBill]

I drove by that Waffle House today and there was a fire truck and two HPD cars in the parking lot.

They must like the food too.

I don't think they were there to eat. They had their lights flashing.

[wheelgun1958]

Reminds me of a Pulp Fiction line.

[Kirk]

I would have to be there to be sure what my actions would be, If the other 2 were concentrating on the other people I believe I would have drawn my XD40 and fired on the BG robbing me depending on his position. IMO the others would not know who fired and either flee or look around to see if it was one of BG who fire allowing time to take cover and aim. Only then fire again if the shot is clear. My assumption is the BGs intend to harm me while in the store. Once outside its time to record and much information as possible about what they are driving and the plate on the car. Not trying to be a cowboy but everyone need to decide what is right for themselves.

“I shot like 15 times. I shot five times running, and I get to the gate I shot 10 more times,” Houston said.

What CHL class did he take? Where did his 15 shots go? Definitely a wrong choice IMO!

What bearing does his CHL class have on his marksmanship skills? A CHL class barely evaluates them in the shooting portion. It does not pretend to teach them.

You are correct but we were taught that we are responsible for bullet we fire. IMO hs did not have control where his were ending up.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

Mr. Houston made some poor decisions:
* He was CHL, Awful House is probably not 30.06, but gun was in the car.
* He knew the site had been robbed 4 times recently, yet went in there with $600 cash.

Although many comments above have been made, speculating on where his rounds went,
maybe they all went into the Tahoe, since HPD didn't charge him with anything.

Texas law allows us to try and recover our property immediately after the robbery, hence
the "Fresh Pursuit" angle.

In the end, Mr. Houston was not successful in hitting any of the BG's as far as we know, but
I kind of like the fact that he was not going to let their robbing go unanswered.

From where I sit, I'm not in any kind of trouble, and I'm glad he tried to put some lead into
these lowlifes, even though his tactics didn't produce the desired effect (9MM JHP's in each
BG).

The law professor may have made a slight mistake when he said that the robbers had "automatic"
weapons. I couldn't ID the long gun that one of the BG's had, but the other 2 probably had semi-auto
handguns.

SIA

[terryg]

By the time he was interviewed, he knew it had been robbed four times before. He might have learned that information from the police during the investigation. There is nothing to say for sure that he knew this information before choosing to eat there.

[Purplehood]

After reading about Mr. Houston's reactions after he got his weapon from his vehicle I'm wondering
how he would have reacted if he'd had his weapon on his person..

He probably would have started a "gangsta style" shootout in the WH. I bet a hundred bucks he held the gun sideways when he shot it.

You could watch the video and see for yourself. It is all over the web.

[03Lightningrocks]

After reading about Mr. Houston's reactions after he got his weapon from his vehicle I'm wondering
how he would have reacted if he'd had his weapon on his person..

He probably would have started a "gangsta style" shootout in the WH. I bet a hundred bucks he held the gun sideways when he shot it.

You could watch the video and see for yourself. It is all over the web.

You probably missed this series of posts.

He probably would have started a "gangsta style" shootout in the WH. I bet a hundred bucks he held the gun sideways when he shot it.

Why is that?
...

Because he was going for a kill shot!!!

I was making a joke in reference to this movie.

[KD5NRH]

Did anyone hear the part about that waffle house "already been robbed about 4 times before"? Why are you eating there?

Maybe businesses should be required to post crime summaries on the door for the preceding five years.

[kjolly]

Could have cost him a lot more than $600, and a lot of his time. Very poor decision making.

[gemini]

After watching a more full surveillance video of the robbery, I still can't fault the CHLers actions.
As the robbers exited, the CHLer was up and out the door within 2 seconds following them.
I don't think he followed out of "revenge", I think he gave chase out of natural instinct.
Did he do everything right? No. Was it the decision many here would have made? No.
A few of the factors in his decision making we seem to be passing over. As soon as the robbers
entered the WH the CHLer had a gun stuffed into his face. Looking down the barrel of a
gun would give me an adrenaline dump. There's no telling the buzz of total focus it gave the
CHLer. Thus his response of retrieving his firearm.
I think it would be interesting to know how many rounds actually hit the Tahoe. Poking around
on the i-net I have found nothing to indicate any of the expended rounds, fired while running,
damaged any property or person. They could just as easily been fired into the asphalt/ground.

[40khammer]

The first thing he did wrong was not having his handgun on him instead of in the car. If the waffle house had a 30.06 sign then he should have picked a different waffle house. That being said it wouldn't be a good idea to draw your weapon on 3 armed men especially when there are bystanders around. But had he had his handgun on him he could have waited patiently for an opportunity to stop them either as they were exiting the building or distracted in some other way. He said he fired 5 shots while running. I think this was his biggest mistake. Your shots should have a purpose. If you want to "Fire for effect" join the military. He's lucky nobody got hurt.

Everybody should constantly play the 'what if' game. Work out what you would do in those "what if" situations and maybe you'll be able to act accordingly.

[Kirk]

Saw the video http://www.wltx.com/news/article/135620 ... s-16-VIDEO" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Very intense but was there enough commotion as they came through the door to respond if you were armed? Not much could be done if you were at the first table but it did seem like there were a few opening.

Again the camera doesn't show everything and unless you're there its hard to say how you would respond. At this point the best anyone can do is "What if"

[Purplehood]

The first thing he did wrong was not having his handgun on him instead of in the car. If the waffle house had a 30.06 sign then he should have picked a different waffle house. That being said it wouldn't be a good idea to draw your weapon on 3 armed men especially when there are bystanders around. But had he had his handgun on him he could have waited patiently for an opportunity to stop them either as they were exiting the building or distracted in some other way. He said he fired 5 shots while running. I think this was his biggest mistake. Your shots should have a purpose. If you want to "Fire for effect" join the military. He's lucky nobody got hurt.

Everybody should constantly play the 'what if' game. Work out what you would do in those "what if" situations and maybe you'll be able to act accordingly.

"Fire for effect" is just what it sounds like. Aimed-shots. I think you have it backwards.

[40khammer]

The first thing he did wrong was not having his handgun on him instead of in the car. If the waffle house had a 30.06 sign then he should have picked a different waffle house. That being said it wouldn't be a good idea to draw your weapon on 3 armed men especially when there are bystanders around. But had he had his handgun on him he could have waited patiently for an opportunity to stop them either as they were exiting the building or distracted in some other way. He said he fired 5 shots while running. I think this was his biggest mistake. Your shots should have a purpose. If you want to "Fire for effect" join the military. He's lucky nobody got hurt.

Everybody should constantly play the 'what if' game. Work out what you would do in those "what if" situations and maybe you'll be able to act accordingly.

"Fire for effect" is just what it sounds like. Aimed-shots. I think you have it backwards.

Sorry I'm not a military man. I must be going off movie lingo

I was under the impression it was similar to suppression fire.