Unarmed Soldiers Oct 27, 1995
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Unarmed Soldiers Oct 27, 1995
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FORT BRAGG, N.C., Oct. 27 (1995) — As 1,300 soldiers of the 82d Airborne Division were setting out on a predawn run from a flood-lit stadium here today, muzzle flashes and gunfire erupted from the woods about 150 yards away. Within seconds, a sniper had killed 1 soldier, wounded 18 others and sent hundreds fleeing for cover.
Unarmed Special Forces soldiers jogging who were nearby heard the shots, dashed into the woods in what they described as a "flanking movement," surprised a gunman and subdued him in a struggle.
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In the past, Kreutzer had reportedly told a friend that he knew what the record number of people killed in a rampage shooting was, and earned himself the nickname "Crazy Kreutzer".
In June 1994, Kreutzer broke down in tears while on guard duty in the Sinai, and spoke of killing several other soldiers
He was disciplined, and sent to see the division's social worker, Darren Fong, who said he suffered from low self-esteem and anger management problems. He was deemed to not be a threat, but was disallowed weapons for two weeks following the incident.
Unarmed Soldiers
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FORT BRAGG, N.C., Oct. 27 (1995) — As 1,300 soldiers of the 82d Airborne Division were setting out on a predawn run from a flood-lit stadium here today, muzzle flashes and gunfire erupted from the woods about 150 yards away. Within seconds, a sniper had killed 1 soldier, wounded 18 others and sent hundreds fleeing for cover.
Unarmed Special Forces soldiers jogging who were nearby heard the shots, dashed into the woods in what they described as a "flanking movement," surprised a gunman and subdued him in a struggle.
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In the past, Kreutzer had reportedly told a friend that he knew what the record number of people killed in a rampage shooting was, and earned himself the nickname "Crazy Kreutzer".
In June 1994, Kreutzer broke down in tears while on guard duty in the Sinai, and spoke of killing several other soldiers
He was disciplined, and sent to see the division's social worker, Darren Fong, who said he suffered from low self-esteem and anger management problems. He was deemed to not be a threat, but was disallowed weapons for two weeks following the incident.
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Re: Unarmed Soldiers Oct 27, 1995
Wow, I had never heard this story before. Very sad.
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Re: Unarmed Soldiers Oct 27, 1995
The wacko was court martialed and executed by firing squad a relatively short time after the shooting...according to local (82nd Airborne) legend.
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IIRC his sentence was reduced to Life because of questions about his mental state.Oldgringo wrote:The wacko was court martialed and executed by firing squad a relatively short time after the shooting...according to local (82nd Airborne) legend.
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Re: Unarmed Soldiers Oct 27, 1995
Don't believe everything you hear. http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/03/25/18 ... index.htmlOldgringo wrote:The wacko was court martialed and executed by firing squad a relatively short time after the shooting...according to local (82nd Airborne) legend.
This will only hurt a little. What comes next, more so.
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Re: Unarmed Soldiers Oct 27, 1995
Rats! You reckon the alleged muslim Ft. Hood murderer knew of this incident and its outcome?
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RPB wrote:
Unarmed Special Forces soldiers jogging who were nearby heard the shots, dashed into the woods in what they described as a "flanking movement," surprised a gunman and subdued him in a struggle.
That is true spirit and selflessness.
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Re: Unarmed Soldiers Oct 27, 1995
Since he is in the psychiatric field in the military, I'm guessing probably, but we'll probably never know what Nidal knew or didn't know other than it's a "gun free zone".Oldgringo wrote:Rats! You reckon the alleged muslim Ft. Hood murderer knew of this incident and its outcome?
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Yes, they went "towards the sound of the guns," even unarmed.Zoomie wrote:That is true spirit and selflessness.RPB wrote:Unarmed Special Forces soldiers jogging who were nearby heard the shots, dashed into the woods in what they described as a "flanking movement," surprised a gunman and subdued him in a struggle.
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Re: Unarmed Soldiers Oct 27, 1995
in 2005 my squad leader in Iraq told me about that incident. he was one of the soldiers preparing for the run that morning.
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Re: Unarmed Soldiers Oct 27, 1995
I am not in the least surprised about "unarmed soldiers" subduing the gunman. It is extremely common for members of the Military (regardless of branch) to immediately take action to "fix" situations, whether it is their responsibility or duty or not.
I am willing to bet that every "lifer" on this forum has at least one story to tell as a personal example.
I am willing to bet that every "lifer" on this forum has at least one story to tell as a personal example.
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