Healthcare Passes

[driver8]

A pro life democrat is a democrat that somehow managed to get elected in a pro life district. Last night they just messed up

[Kythas]

I fear things are about to get ugly in this country. The ideological divide between people is wider than ever before and Obama - who was supposed to be a uniter and bring everyone together - has kicked the widening of that divide into high gear. We are so much more polarized today than we were on election day.

Today, in two separate incidents, bricks were thrown through Democrat party headquarters in New York. This is probably just the beginning.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03 ... .html?_r=1

The Secret Service is investigating two calls on Twitter to assassinate the president since last night's vote.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/health-ca ... d=10170233

I believe it's possible during this administration's term in office we will see some major civil unrest.

[PSLOwner]

*yawn* wake me when the sky falls

The amount of over-reaction to this and shouting down people who have non "RIP CONSTITUTION" opinions are amazing. No one is really able to listen to someone else's opinion without berating them. I respect the opinion of people who are totally against the health care change, disagree with them, but respect their opinion and I will not berate them or insist that they change their minds.

Also, why is this thread in a gun-related forum?

Also, has Rush left for Costa Rica yet?

[74novaman]

Also, has Rush left for Costa Rica yet?

Okay, you obviously didn't listen to Rush that day.

He never said he was MOVING to Costa Rica...he just said he'd travel there for his health care needs.

The wife may start a practice down there, depending on how ridiculous things get for medical professionals in the States.

[PSLOwner]

Also, has Rush left for Costa Rica yet?

Okay, you obviously didn't listen to Rush that day.

He never said he was MOVING to Costa Rica...he just said he'd travel there for his health care needs.

The wife may start a practice down there, depending on how ridiculous things get for medical professionals in the States.

I must admit, I did not listen to Rush that day!

Depending upon how cold your hometown is in the winter, moving to Costa Rica might be a good deal for many reasons.

[74novaman]

Hometown gets snow most years. Current town, not so much. My sister spent time last summer in Costa Rica and loved it...its a tempting thought for any reason.

[ClarkLZeuss]

David Frum puts it into perspective.

Yes it certainly does. Thanks for sharing the link nitrogen.

Unfortunately Frum's entire article is based on faulty assumptions:

(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.

(2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.

In response: The economy has not improved since Obama took office, and there are currently no signs that it will, at least not drastically. Even if it somehow does, there's no proof that it "will" improve by November, as Frum so confidently asserts. The majority of the "goodies" of the healthcare bill will not take place until 2014, and that's beside the point that dozens of legal challenges are poised to stop or at least delay anything from taking immediate effect. Also, nothing is forever and anything can be repealed. See constitutional amendments 11 and up.

Finally, it's just so silly to me how people like Frum rail against Fox News. For every Glenn Beck on Fox there's a Geraldo. For every guest like Ann Coulter there's another guest like Al Sharpton. And even if Frum or others could prove Fox is biased, the even sillier thing is that they want to pretend that all other news organizations are not biased. Yeah right!

[PSLOwner]

Hometown gets snow most years. Current town, not so much. My sister spent time last summer in Costa Rica and loved it...its a tempting thought for any reason.

Houston winters have made me rather cold sensitive when I go back up North for the holiday. I can so see living in Hawaii, San Diego, Costa Rica....

[ClarkLZeuss]

I fear things are about to get ugly in this country. The ideological divide between people is wider than ever before and Obama - who was supposed to be a uniter and bring everyone together - has kicked the widening of that divide into high gear. We are so much more polarized today than we were on election day.

Today, in two separate incidents, bricks were thrown through Democrat party headquarters in New York. This is probably just the beginning.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03 ... .html?_r=1

The Secret Service is investigating two calls on Twitter to assassinate the president since last night's vote.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/health-ca ... d=10170233

I believe it's possible during this administration's term in office we will see some major civil unrest.

Let's hope that cooler heads prevail, and that people channel their anger into political action instead. The last thing any of us need is a bunch of people pointing fingers in our general direction.

[boomerang]

Last night's vote proves there is no such thing as a pro-life Democrat.

They're not pro choice either if we will be forced to buy health insurance. They're NO CHOICE.

[davidtx]

*yawn* wake me when the sky falls

I'm thinking you'll probably know when you get a bill for $300 for a single aspirin.

T.

Really sending more PAYING customers to the Doctors office isnt going to hurt anyone.
From 2001-2008 I gave $0 to the Insurance Companies and Doctors office.
Since then I have gotten Wisdom Teeth Pulled, A Crown, 3 Cavities *I like sugar*, my Wife's been to the Cardiologist (That was a big bill) and throw in birth control, allergy medicine, pills for when I threw out my back and I've given them thousands of dollars in business.
Now expand that by Millions of uninsured and under insured.

Didn't I read that the insurance will be subsidized for families earning up to $75,000? If so, I bet that most of those newly insured will have insurance courtesy of you and me. I'm not sure how that will improve the net impact on you and me.

[texas1234]

On the 2nd Ammendment. In order to repeal it you have to have 2/3 of the States Legislatures agree plus the majority of the morons in the House and Senate. It aint going to happen. Look for Barry the fun loving Communist Dictator to come after guns through the regulatory process, that is where he will strike. Cass Sunstein is our regulatory czar, Cass is a certified lunatic who wants animals to have laywers. Thats where they go after guns, through regulatory policy.

[nitrogen]

Ehh, I think the constitution's been long dead, been dead since 1863. This is nothing.

[Mike1951]

"I'm quite sure that the concept of a government-run reservation would have an ill effect on anyone. But that seems to be what the socialists are working for now - to have everyone cared for from cradle to grave.", - credited to John Wayne

Read tonight that the IRS will be responsible for collecting the penalty. However, the IRS won't have the resources. Someone expecting a refund will likely have the penalty deducted. Looks like everyone else gets off Scott free.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03 ... y-enforce/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Senate bill doesn’t provide any funding for the expansion of the IRS, and it virtually ties the hands of the IRS to collect fees on individuals and businesses who don’t buy health insurance.

[Kythas]

"I'm quite sure that the concept of a government-run reservation would have an ill effect on anyone. But that seems to be what the socialists are working for now - to have everyone cared for from cradle to grave.", - credited to John Wayne

Read tonight that the IRS will be responsible for collecting the penalty. However, the IRS won't have the resources. Someone expecting a refund will likely have the penalty deducted. Looks like everyone else gets off Scott free.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03 ... y-enforce/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Senate bill doesn’t provide any funding for the expansion of the IRS, and it virtually ties the hands of the IRS to collect fees on individuals and businesses who don’t buy health insurance.

The IRS said they're going to need an additional $10 billion per year in funding to enforce the health care bill. That's money that wasn't included in the bill. So the extra costs are already starting.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/63181

Edit: By the way, the penalties for not having insurance in the article are wrong. The penalty for no insurance is $750 per year or 2.5% of your gross income, whichever is greater.