Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?

[bdickens]

The VA is not socialized medicine because in order to be covered, you have to have done something to earn the coverage; you can't get it for having done nothing but suck up other people's oxygen.

[marksiwel]

The VA is not socialized medicine because in order to be covered, you have to have done something to earn the coverage; you can't get it for having done nothing but suck up other people's oxygen.

Oh I see.
http://www.slate.com/id/2114554/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Have you read this book, you might like it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I say we Draft the poor, you know, make them earn it

[Kythas]

The Washington Times has an editorial today regarding use of the "Slaughter Solution" and states it could meet the standards of "high crimes and misdemeanors" needed to impeach not only Obama, but Pelosi.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/ma ... president/

The Democrats are assaulting the very pillars of our democracy. As the debate on Obamacare reaches the long, painful end, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is confronting a political nightmare. She may not have the 216 votes necessary to pass the Senate's health care bill in the House.

Hence, Mrs. Pelosi and her congressional Democratic allies are seriously considering using a procedural ruse to circumvent the traditional constitutional process. Led by Rep. Louise M. Slaughter, New York Democrat and chairman of the House Rules Committee, the new plan - called the "Slaughter Solution" - is not to pass the Senate version on an up-or-down vote. Rather, it is to have the House "deem" that the legislation was passed and then have members vote directly on a series of "sidecar" amendments to fix the things it does not like.

This would enable House Democrats to avoid going on the record voting for provisions in the Senate bill - the "Cornhusker Kickback," the "Louisiana Purchase," the tax on high-cost so-called "Cadillac" insurance plans - that are reviled by the public or labor-union bosses. If the reconciliation fixes pass, the House can send the Senate bill to President Obama for his signature without ever having had a formal up-or-down vote on the underlying legislation.

Many Democrats could claim they opposed the Senate bill while allowing it to pass. This would be an unprecedented violation of our democratic norms and procedures, established since the inception of the republic. Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution stipulates that for any bill to become a law, it must pass both the House of Representatives and the Senate. That is, not be "deemed" to have passed, but actually be voted on with the support of the required majority. The bill must contain the exact same language in both chambers - and in the version signed by the president - to be a legitimate law. This is why the House and Senate have a conference committee to iron out differences of competing versions. This is Civics 101.

The Slaughter Solution is a dagger aimed at the heart of our system of checks and balances. It would enable the Democrats to establish an ominous precedent: The lawmaking process can be rigged to ensure the passage of any legislation without democratic accountability or even a congressional majority. It is the road to a soft tyranny. James Madison must be turning in his grave.

Mr. Obama is imposing a leftist revolution. Since coming to office, he has behaved without any constitutional restraints. The power of the federal government has exploded. He has de facto nationalized key sectors of American life - the big banks, financial institutions, the automakers, large tracts of energy-rich land from Montana to New Mexico. His cap-and-trade proposal, along with a newly empowered Environmental Protection Agency, seeks to impose massive new taxes and regulations upon industry. It is a form of green socialism: Much of the economy would fall under a command-and-control bureaucratic corporatist state. Mr. Obama even wants the government to take over student loans.

Yet his primary goal has always been to gobble up the health care system. The most troubling aspect of the Obamacare debate, however, is not the measure's sweeping and radical aims - the transformation of one-sixth of the U.S. economy, crippling tax increases, higher premiums, state-sanctioned rationing, longer waiting lines, the erosion of the quality of medical care and the creation of a huge, permanent administrative bureaucracy. Rather, the most alarming aspect is the lengths to which the Democrats are willing to go to achieve their progressive, anti-capitalist agenda.

Obamacare is opposed by nearly two-thirds of the public, more than 60 percent of independents and almost all Republicans and conservatives. It has badly fractured the country, dangerously polarizing it along ideological and racial lines. Even a majority of Democrats in the House are deeply reluctant to support it.

Numerous states - from Idaho to Virginia to Texas - have said they will sue the federal government should Obamacare become law. They will declare themselves exempt from its provisions, tying up the legislation in the courts for years to come.

Mr. Obama is willing to devour his presidency, his party's congressional majority and - most disturbing - our democratic institutional safeguards to enact it. He is a reckless ideologue who is willing to sacrifice the country's stability in pursuit of a socialist utopia.

The Slaughter Solution is a poisoned chalice. By drinking from it, the Democrats would not only commit political suicide. They would guarantee that any bill signed by Mr. Obama is illegitimate, illegal and blatantly unconstitutional. It would be worse than a strategic blunder; it would be a crime - a moral crime against the American people and a direct abrogation of the Constitution and our very democracy.

It would open Mr. Obama, as well as key congressional leaders such as Mrs. Pelosi, to impeachment. The Slaughter Solution would replace the rule of law with arbitrary one-party rule. It violates the entire basis of our constitutional government - meeting the threshold of "high crimes and misdemeanors." If it's enacted, Republicans should campaign for the November elections not only on repealing Obamacare, but on removing Mr. Obama and his gang of leftist thugs from office.

It is time Americans drew a line in the sand. Mr. Obama crosses it at his peril.

Update: The governor of Arizona Jan Brewer was on Fox News this afternoon and said there are now 38 States who are getting lawsuits ready to oppose this legislation if it passes.

[mmaness]

And don't forget - one of the original reasons for the inclusion of the 2nd amendment in the Constitution is if we, the people, lose control of our government ... we can force it to change. And with these latest 'antics' of Pelosi and Obama, it sure looks like the government is not paying attention to it's bosses.

[marksiwel]

And don't forget - one of the original reasons for the inclusion of the 2nd amendment in the Constitution is if we, the people, lose control of our government ... we can force it to change. And with these latest 'antics' of Pelosi and Obama, it sure looks like the government is not paying attention to it's bosses.

I think i'll let it get to the Supreme Court before I start Hoarding Ammo and planting claymores

[TLynnHughes]

And don't forget - one of the original reasons for the inclusion of the 2nd amendment in the Constitution is if we, the people, lose control of our government ... we can force it to change. And with these latest 'antics' of Pelosi and Obama, it sure looks like the government is not paying attention to it's bosses.

I think i'll let it get to the Supreme Court before I start Hoarding Ammo and planting claymores

Darnit...does this mean I need to remove the claymore from my front yard? I wouldn't say I was hoarding ammo, but I do consider myself a prepper.

T.

[pbwalker]

I wouldn't say I was hoarding ammo, but I do consider myself a prepper.

T.

[marksiwel]

Darnit...does this mean I need to remove the claymore from my front yard? I wouldn't say I was hoarding ammo, but I do consider myself a prepper.

T.

I do too. But I prep for end of the world, not "Take of the Feds"

[TLynnHughes]

Darnit...does this mean I need to remove the claymore from my front yard? I wouldn't say I was hoarding ammo, but I do consider myself a prepper.

T.

I do too. But I prep for end of the world, not "Take of the Feds"

I prep for whatever I think might result in the loss of my freedom and the endangerment of my family...whether that be a hurricane, the end of the world or a more man-made disaster.

T.

[08thunders]

And don't forget - one of the original reasons for the inclusion of the 2nd amendment in the Constitution is if we, the people, lose control of our government ... we can force it to change. And with these latest 'antics' of Pelosi and Obama, it sure looks like the government is not paying attention to it's bosses.

I think i'll let it get to the Supreme Court before I start Hoarding Ammo and planting claymores

That's no time to be hoarding. That's the time to be shooting the ammo you hoarded.

[casingpoint]

Portrait of Pelosi



And a few key Democrats

[bdickens]

The VA is not socialized medicine because in order to be covered, you have to have done something to earn the coverage; you can't get it for having done nothing but suck up other people's oxygen.

Oh I see.
http://www.slate.com/id/2114554/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Have you read this book, you might like it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I say we Draft the poor, you know, make them earn it

What in God's name are you talking about?

[5thGenTexan]

The Slaughter Solution is a poisoned chalice. By drinking from it, the Democrats would not only commit political suicide. They would guarantee that any bill signed by Mr. Obama is illegitimate, illegal and blatantly unconstitutional. It would be worse than a strategic blunder; it would be a crime - a moral crime against the American people and a direct abrogation of the Constitution and our very democracy.

It would open Mr. Obama, as well as key congressional leaders such as Mrs. Pelosi, to impeachment. The Slaughter Solution would replace the rule of law with arbitrary one-party rule. It violates the entire basis of our constitutional government - meeting the threshold of "high crimes and misdemeanors." If it's enacted, Republicans should campaign for the November elections not only on repealing Obamacare, but on removing Mr. Obama and his gang of leftist thugs from office.

Why would this bother the sheeple? Obama has already been allowed to skate without proof of citizenship. I don't know if he is or isn't but the hard evidence needed to be provided before the election. At this point any third world dictator could have had the documents manufactured by now.

Those who seek to subvert the rules of law, man, or God care only of their own destiny and survival. Those who are now trying to stand on our throats in Washington would do well to remember the lessons that it took the British Crown, and the Mexicans several lessons to learn, that was a rag tag bunch of farmers with squirrelguns and the desire to their own freedom from tyranny and taxation can be a formidable group to control.